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The New Movie: What Are Your Fears?

I'm afraid that they'll break with the tradition of TOS itself and eliminate any gay subtext between Kirk and Spock. That will upset the K/S folks no end.

Why is it that there has to be gay this, gay that in movies these days..it is almost like that is all there is. What about a good clean movie without all that gay stuff and even hints at sex in a Star Trek movie. The trailer was bad enough showing or hinting at a sexual interlude..why can't someone make a good trek movie without all that sex and cussing..make a good clean movie with lots of technology and action......
 
Sorry, I want to see Uhura with her tits out. A lot of heterosexual male trekkies want to - as long as they're Saldana's and not Nichols' tits - and probably more than a few lesbian trekkies do as well. So there's no reason not to hope for technology and action and sex. It's certainly not an "either-or."

And the Kirk/Spock gay relationship isn't something "that's in movies these days" - it's one of the oldest established themes in Trek fan fiction. Hell, even though there was such fan fiction prior to Trek (some involving Solo and Kuryakin from "U.N.C.L.E.") the term "slash" itself was derived from "K/S" as far back as the early 1970s. Gene Roddenberry indicated openness to the idea in at least one interview:

 
It certainly seems like Trek XI is a reboot. Am I wrong?

Judging by what the director and writers have told us so far in various interviews, yes you are wrong.

Quotes can be found here in various threads and at Trekmovie.
I'm guessing you've never been lied to before?


We can't for certain tell that we are being "lied" to until we see the actual movie itself. There's no reason or indication to think that they are lying. The most we can say is that they are telling the truth from a certain point-of-view.
 
You just called the uniforms sexist, and just like the true Enterprise impossible to do in this day and age. And yet it's okay? This does not compute. Either ALL of it is okay, or NONE of it is.
No one in reality deals in absolutes. I didn't call the uniforms sexist. Reread what it was I said.

Maybe you should go watch TOS again. You'll find that Kirk is with a woman only two or three times in 78 episodes; and at least once of those times is that he's lost his memory.

Kirk is most certainly not a horndog.
You're the one who needs to go back and watch. You clearly don't know what you're talking about....as usual.

Actually he is very much correct.

Captain Kirk actually had very few "encounters" with women during the original series.

Most of James Kirk's "womanizing" or whatever you call it was implied. Mainly by several ex girlfriends showing up such as Areel Shaw, Dr. Wallace, and Ruth.

But these were apparently spread over more than a decade in the past.

Most of the idea of Kirk as a skirt chaser comes from fans who automatically connect the character of Kirk with the actor William Shatner who was legendary in that regard.

The idea of Kirk being a skirt chaser is from Trek itself. Now if you think being a horndog and a skirt chaser actually means having sex, then you have a point. For the rest of us here are some examples of Kirk's exploits on TOS:

WNMHGB: He almost married that little blonde lab technician. Assuming the common theory that the lab technician was Carol Marcus, we can assume they "did it."

The Enemy Within: Evil Kirk is on the floor trying to rape Yeoman Rand.

Dagger of the Mind: we really don't know what happened at that x-me$$ party, or do we??

Conscience of the King: No sex but definitely some making out.

Menagerie: Commodore Mendez' receptionist mentions a "mutual friend" with the look of innuendo that means far more than "she merely mentioned that she knew" him.


Shore Leave: We relveal a relationship with Ruth and then Kirk staying on the planet for a day or two.. What do you think they would be doing, reading the New Testament by the lake??


City on the Edge of Forever: Kirk and Edith Keeler were definitely doing some snogging.

Catspaw: Kirk attempts to seduce Sylvia to get information.

Mirror, Mirror: Some lip action with the Captain's Woman.

The Deadly Years: Kirk had a serious relation ship with Dr. Wallace back in the day. No doubt they just held hands and talked about the stars. (Right!)

Gamesters of Triskellion: Kirk seduces her drill thrall, teaching her that humans "help" each other by pressing their lips together.

By Any Other Name: Kirk and Kelinda "apologize" to one another by pressing their lips together.

Bread and Circuses: It is certainly implied that Kirk has sex with Drucilla. Marcus sent her to him, so Kirk could enjoy his last hours "as a man." Now what do you think that meant? Or do you think they stayed up watching football and drinking beer?

The Paradise Syndrome: It is revealed during the episode that Miramanee is carrying Kirok's child? Do you believe that conception was immaculate??

Is There In Truth No Beauty?: Kirk seduces Miranda to distract her.

Wink of an Eye: Kirk is putting on his boots in his quarters following a scene where he's having a snog with Deela. I suppose he was just trying on her shoes or something.

Whom Gods Destroy: Kirk seduces a green orion slave girl.

The Mark of Gideon: Kirk and Odona walk out of Kirk's quarters holding hands following a snog in the previous scene. What do you think they were doing in his quarters, watching Mannix?

Requiem for Methusela: Kirk falls in love with Rayna and certainly gets his lips on her, too.

Turnabout Intruder: We meet Kirk's psycho ex. You know the sex was probably pretty intense there. Sex with psycho women usually is (I speak from experience), or maybe she's psycho because he played hard to get??

TWOK: We meet Carol Marcus and David, who is Kirk's son.. Again, are we talking about some kind of immaculate conception??

TUC: Kirk and Martia lock lips in prison. Even Bones gives Kirk some shit over his exploits ("what is it with you ??")

Generations: Kirk leaves Antonia to return to Starfleet. Do you just assume she was wearing her uniform in bed, waiting for breakfast??

C'mon, guys..get real. Kirk liked the ladies.

You want to talk about actual penetration?? Of course they're not going to SHOW that on a newtwork TV show from the 60's, but come on. Let's get f*cking real.

Anyone who is "concerned" about Chris Pine getting his wick dipped because that never would have happened to TOS Kirk is just being a petty hypocrite.
 
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.......You do have a life outside cataloging Trek episodes, right?

;)


Of course I do. That's why it took so long to reply.

I wanted to give a thorough list, because some "fan" implied that I haven't given TOS the proper attention it deserves.
 
Number6, I applaud you for encyclopedic knowledge of Kirk's female exploits. Well done!

Though you seem to have left out Elaan of Troyius.
 
Well, you included "evil Kirk" from The Enemy Within...

Yeah, but evil Kirk is Kirk.. The only difference is that evil Kirk is acting on the sexual tension that exists between the two of them. While nice Kirk would probably never rape Janice, there is some obvious romantic tension between the two. This was what the producers had initially intended, but later dropped Rand from the show so Kirk could get his cosmic freak on.
 
Well, he was under the influence of the transporter. Post-tears Kirk is also Kirk. He got over the effects easily enough.

Which kinda makes you wonder how far Kirk's relationship with his ship really went... :wtf:
 
Well, he was under the influence of the transporter. Post-tears Kirk is also Kirk. He got over the effects easily enough.

Which kinda makes you wonder how far Kirk's relationship with his ship really went... :wtf:

We do see that in Naked Time. I am sure that we would have seen Kirk making out with the Briefing room bulkhead if the scene had gone longer.
;)
 
The vast majority of Kirks sexual relationships took place in the past and are not during the three years of the series.

If you assume that Kirk became sexually active at least 15 years prior to the original series, that averages out about one sex partner every two years.

Not conservative but far, far from the number of otherwise normal men that I know would have had.

Several of the "encounters" that Kirk is shown having in the original series were of an "extraordinary" nature where Kirk is either not in his own mind, being manipulated or engaging a superior force.

"The Mark of Gideon"
"The Paradise Syndrome"
"Wink of An Eye"
"Elaan of Troyius"
"Requiem for Methuselah"
"The Gamesters of Triskelion"
"Mirror, Mirror"
"Bread and Circuses"


"Shore Leave"- who cares, Kirk was having sex with a robot

In fact, can you point to ONE example where Captain James T. Kirk of the starship Enterprise during the three years of the Original Series purposely set out to pursue any kind of sexual encounter (with an actual woman) FREE of unusual outside circumstances?
 
The vast majority of Kirks sexual relationships took place in the past and are not during the three years of the series.

If you assume that Kirk became sexually active at least 15 years prior to the original series, that averages out about one sex partner every two years.

Not conservative but far, far from the number of otherwise normal men that I know would have had.

Several of the "encounters" that Kirk is shown having in the original series were of an "extraordinary" nature where Kirk is either not in his own mind, being manipulated or engaging a superior force.

"The Mark of Gideon"
"The Paradise Syndrome"
"Wink of An Eye"
"Elaan of Troyius"
"Requiem for Methuselah"
"The Gamesters of Triskelion"
"Mirror, Mirror"
"Bread and Circuses"


"Shore Leave"- who cares, Kirk was having sex with a robot

In fact, can you point to ONE example where Captain James T. Kirk of the starship Enterprise during the three years of the Original Series purposely set out to pursue any kind of sexual encounter (with an actual woman) FREE of unusual outside circumstances?

I laid out several examples to prove my point. I have no interest in proving yours. Do your own work.
 
No one in reality deals in absolutes. I didn't call the uniforms sexist. Reread what it was I said.

You're the one who needs to go back and watch. You clearly don't know what you're talking about....as usual.

Actually he is very much correct.

Captain Kirk actually had very few "encounters" with women during the original series.

Most of James Kirk's "womanizing" or whatever you call it was implied. Mainly by several ex girlfriends showing up such as Areel Shaw, Dr. Wallace, and Ruth.

But these were apparently spread over more than a decade in the past.

Most of the idea of Kirk as a skirt chaser comes from fans who automatically connect the character of Kirk with the actor William Shatner who was legendary in that regard.

The idea of Kirk being a skirt chaser is from Trek itself. Now if you think being a horndog and a skirt chaser actually means having sex, then you have a point. For the rest of us here are some examples of Kirk's exploits on TOS:

WNMHGB: He almost married that little blonde lab technician. Assuming the common theory that the lab technician was Carol Marcus, we can assume they "did it."

An ex-girlfriend, possibly fiance long in the past? You call that chasing skirts? Chasing skirts isn't simply being with a woman; it's being with women on whims, without any serious interest in her, and moving on to the next woman aka skirt. Not even immediately having had sex with her. We don't even know how this relationship started; it might have started with Kirk's intention being shallow and quick and then growing; but we don't actually know.

The Enemy Within: Evil Kirk is on the floor trying to rape Yeoman Rand.
In other words: not even Kirk; the fact this is evil Kirk and it's raping should pretty much tell you right there, Kirk isn't chasing any skirt.

Dagger of the Mind: we really don't know what happened at that x-me$$ party, or do we??
Yes, we do know, for a certain fact what happened: nothing at all. He talked with a crew member, and she got all infatuated. Kirk however did nothing, in fact, when he finds out she is infatuated it makes him uncomfortable and he doesn't quite know how to deal with it. Not exactly the behavior of a skirt chaser.

Conscience of the King: No sex but definitely some making out.
Aha! Finally, the first actual on screen; wow, lots of skirts having been chased by now. Hasn't there? Uh, no, actually, not so much - in fact, a little something to notice, along with above: Kirk does not do anything with crew members, if he's intimate or interested or kissing, it's with someone NOT of the crew.

Menagerie: Commodore Mendez' receptionist mentions a "mutual friend" with the look of innuendo that means far more than "she merely mentioned that she knew" him.
Oh? You mean like you mistook Kirk doing nothing at all at that X-mas party for him doing things? "A mutual friend" could mean anything. It could also mean that friend was exaggerating or expressing her wishes instead of what actually happened - much like that x-mas party.

Shore Leave: We relveal a relationship with Ruth and then Kirk staying on the planet for a day or two.. What do you think they would be doing, reading the New Testament by the lake??
One former girlfriend from his academy days, now in a robot - an ffing robot, a sex toy, essentially blow up doll! - form. He actually spends most of the time fighting Finnegan. My, what sheer amounts of skirt being chased! Not to mention: RELATIONSHIP and IN THE PAST again. Skirt after skirt being chased? I think not.


City on the Edge of Forever: Kirk and Edith Keeler were definitely doing some snogging.
Oh, finally, number two. I was starting to wonder if you liked mentioning skirts being not-chased only - oh, but wait a minute, Kirk falls TOTALLY IN LOVE; he does it rather quickly so it can be argued to be skirt chasing type-of endeavor, but not a 100%, this is serious.

Catspaw: Kirk attempts to seduce Sylvia to get information.
In the line of duty: no skirts being chased.

Mirror, Mirror: Some lip action with the Captain's Woman.
In the line of duty to keep suspicion away about him not being that universe's captain Kirk, and thus he - and more importantly his crew - being stuck in that universe very possibly locked up.

In short: no skirts being chased.

The Deadly Years: Kirk had a serious relation ship with Dr. Wallace back in the day. No doubt they just held hands and talked about the stars. (Right!)
A serious relationship! Wow, that's really chasing skirt after skirt, isn't he? Kirk, so likes skirts, he forget all other skirts and spends his time with her alone for quite a while. And again, somewhere in the past.

Or in short: no skirts being chased.

Gamesters of Triskellion: Kirk seduces her drill thrall, teaching her that humans "help" each other by pressing their lips together.
In the line of duty: no skirts being chased; most certainly not "horn dog" behavior, which would be even worse than simply chasing a skirt.

By Any Other Name: Kirk and Kelinda "apologize" to one another by pressing their lips together.
In the line of duty: no skirts being chased.

Bread and Circuses: It is certainly implied that Kirk has sex with Drucilla. Marcus sent her to him, so Kirk could enjoy his last hours "as a man." Now what do you think that meant? Or do you think they stayed up watching football and drinking beer?
Prove it!

Because you know what, what I took from that, that indeed Kirk and her stayed up watching football and drinking beer, or whatever passes for it on that planet. With the way she acts especially afterwards, and what she is; I don't see Kirk taking advantage of a slave.

The Paradise Syndrome: It is revealed during the episode that Miramanee is carrying Kirok's child? Do you believe that conception was immaculate??
As I said; "or where he lost his memory" or otherwise not himself. Also; he doesn't chase any multiple skirts, it's obvious he's rather serious about just her; so even in his mind wiped state he is true to form: NOT a horndog.

Is There In Truth No Beauty?: Kirk seduces Miranda to distract her.
As I've been saying: in the line of duty, no skirts being chased.

Wink of an Eye: Kirk is putting on his boots in his quarters following a scene where he's having a snog with Deela. I suppose he was just trying on her shoes or something.
In the line of duty: no skirts being chased.

Whom Gods Destroy: Kirk seduces a green orion slave girl.
Nope. The Orion slave girl is sent after him to seduce him; Kirk only plays along to get opportunity to escape. No skirts being chased at all; Kirk isn't even instigating this "in the line of duty" event.

The Mark of Gideon: Kirk and Odona walk out of Kirk's quarters holding hands following a snog in the previous scene. What do you think they were doing in his quarters, watching Mannix?
Number three! Shocking, what horndog! But not really. And even that one is semi-serious with extenuating circumstances - stuck alone with her alone in an empty ship?

Requiem for Methusela: Kirk falls in love with Rayna and certainly gets his lips on her, too.
Number four; oopsie, I missed one in my recollection; namely Odona above, and I find that one iffy anyway. But again; deadly serious on Kirk's part, no meaningless fling as Kirk is concerned. Arguably chasing a skirt; but most certainly not a horndog.

Turnabout Intruder: We meet Kirk's psycho ex. You know the sex was probably pretty intense there. Sex with psycho women usually is (I speak from experience), or maybe she's psycho because he played hard to get??
Oh, how shocking; a girlfriend, a serious girlfriend, and IN THE PAST. Or in otherwords: no chasing skirts, most certainly not a horndog on screen.

And we are done! That is the end of TOS; this far and no furhter. So my number 3 that I gave is correct, depending on if you count the extenuating circumstances that are in place with Odana it's four. Even then, all those are considered serious; genuine love and potential relationships by Kirk, so he most certainly did not chase skirts in TOS; and being a horndog is even further off into the realm of fantasy.

But let's address your erroneous post-TOS mentions:

TWOK: We meet Carol Marcus and David, who is Kirk's son.. Again, are we talking about some kind of immaculate conception??
Depending on whather this is the lab-technician this would be an all the way fiance deal. Not very horndog behavior. Even if not; the fact that Carol is lamenting that Kirk wouldn't settle down with her and was flying around in Starfleet, shows it was serious. No skirt chasing around; most certainly not horndog behaviour.

TUC: Kirk and Martia lock lips in prison. Even Bones gives Kirk some shit over his exploits ("what is it with you ??")
He's not actually lamenting Kirk's skirt chasing, he's lamenting the skirts chasing Kirk around. In case you hadn't noticed: Kirk never goes after Martia, she comes after him. Again: no skirt chasing, certainly not horndog, as whatever happens is doubly nothing as Martia is just using him, and Kirk is using her "in the line of duty" again.

Generations: Kirk leaves Antonia to return to Starfleet. Do you just assume she was wearing her uniform in bed, waiting for breakfast??
AN ALMOST FIANCEEE!!! DEADLY SERIOUS RELATIONSHIP!!!

Chasing skirts?

Nope!

C'mon, guys..get real. Kirk liked the ladies.

You want to talk about actual penetration?? Of course they're not going to SHOW that on a newtwork TV show from the 60's, but come on. Let's get f*cking real.

Anyone who is "concerned" about Chris Pine getting his wick dipped because that never would have happened to TOS Kirk is just being a petty hypocrite.
Yes, let's get f*cking real: we know for certain of only 6 or 7 relationships over the course of FIFTY to SIXTY years of Kirk's adult life. We know of no frivalous chasing skirt behavior at all; most certainly not in his adult - after college/academy - life. That's not chasing skirts, that's well below average.
And most certainly NOT being a "horndog".
 
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My only fear is that the movie won't live up to the hype that's been generated in this forum. Which, of course, it can't.

You mean the hype that it will take all our TOS DVD sets and burn them in our back yards while raping our mothers and laughing? Damn.
 
My only fear is that the movie won't live up to the hype that's been generated in this forum. Which, of course, it can't.

You mean the hype that it will take all our TOS DVD sets and burn them in our back yards while raping our mothers and laughing? Damn.

In my case, it would be burning laserdiscs.:cardie: What I don't fully understand is this alternate universe arrangement. How did this universe come about? By this classification, is the new film being dumped into a parallel universe? Does the series Enterprise belong to this hell dimension as well?
 
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