The New Movie: What Are Your Fears?

[number6]

My fear is that it will only increase the mudslinging at the older show. Which has already happened to an extent.

I never realized how 'bad' the original show was until I came to this part of the forum.

No one is really mudslinging the old show. The people involved in TOS produced great television on a limited budget. The advances in technology and the expectations of an audience with a big budget film or even a big budget series demand a much more detail than was possible for that time. GR believed that when he started to hire poeple for Phase II and later for TMP. That's why the original ship was redesigned in the first place. If the people involved with TOS though the 60s design ethic was dated in the mid-late 70s, there's certainly no harm or foul in the fact that someone would believe that in this decade.

 

[Kirk1980]

No, there isn't at all in thinking that.... just saying it does look dated is not a problem with me, 6.

But saying it does look outdated in a negative fashion DOES bother me.

There's entirely a difference between wanting to make it look better than in saying it was utter garbage BECAUSE it's older.

I don't know if I'm being clear on where I stand. I hope I am.

 

[number6]

But saying it does look outdated in a negative fashion DOES bother me.

There's entirely a difference between wanting to make it look better than in saying it was utter garbage BECAUSE it's older.

I don't know if I'm being clear on where I stand. I hope I am.

No one is saying it's garbage because it's older. The fact that technolgy has moved beyond what people in the 60s had envisioned as "futuristic" cannot be ignored, though.

Those would have thought that go-go boots and mini-skirts were liberating for women would call it sexist now. You can't create believable sci-fi in a vacuum of a 60s mindset and still have it be believable. That's the point the producers of Trek XI have been making, just as every producer of Trek has (including GR) since the original show.

 

[3D Master]

But saying it does look outdated in a negative fashion DOES bother me.

There's entirely a difference between wanting to make it look better than in saying it was utter garbage BECAUSE it's older.

I don't know if I'm being clear on where I stand. I hope I am.

No one is saying it's garbage because it's older. The fact that technolgy has moved beyond what people in the 60s had envisioned as "futuristic" cannot be ignored, though.

Those would have thought that go-go boots and mini-skirts were liberating for women would call it sexist now. You can't create believable sci-fi in a vacuum of a 60s mindset and still have it be believable. That's the point the producers of Trek XI have been making, just as every producer of Trek has (including GR) since the original show.

So why are the female uniforms for this movie go-go boots and miniskirts?

 

[number6]

But saying it does look outdated in a negative fashion DOES bother me.

There's entirely a difference between wanting to make it look better than in saying it was utter garbage BECAUSE it's older.

I don't know if I'm being clear on where I stand. I hope I am.

No one is saying it's garbage because it's older. The fact that technolgy has moved beyond what people in the 60s had envisioned as "futuristic" cannot be ignored, though.

Those would have thought that go-go boots and mini-skirts were liberating for women would call it sexist now. You can't create believable sci-fi in a vacuum of a 60s mindset and still have it be believable. That's the point the producers of Trek XI have been making, just as every producer of Trek has (including GR) since the original show.

So why are the female uniforms for this movie go-go boots and miniskirts?

They look cool, and it's an homage to TOS. It still hasn't stopped the outrage of some purists who think they should be in trousers.

There is also the outrage that Chris Pine is making out with a green orion slave girl. OMG!! Sex in Trek???? They forgot what a horndog Captain Kirk was on TOS. Why is it ok for TOS Kirk and not Trek XI Kirk??

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

My fear is that it will only increase the mudslinging at the older show. Which has already happened to an extent.

I never realized how 'bad' the original show was until I came to this part of the forum.

No one is really mudslinging the old show.

Whatever.

You know, kirk1980 - or anyone else - is entitled to their feelings about other opinions expressed here.

And no one owes him - or anyone else - any apology for expressing an opinion that someone doesn't like.

If some people are sensitive or defensive or resentful toward opinions that hurt their feelings about a TV show they'll just have to adjust. We've all had to do it at one time or another; every one of us likes some shows or movies that other people think are crap and are sometimes vocal in denouncing as crap. There is rarely any insistence that they be respectful in their tone as long as they're not trolling.

People who are especially protective of TOS for whatever reason just have to man up like everyone else.

 

[Kirk1980]

However, it is nice for people to be respectful, Polaris.

And of course it's just a TV show. Obviously it is. And XI is just a movie.

 

[xortex]

My fear is that it will only increase the mudslinging at the older show. Which has already happened to an extent.

I never realized how 'bad' the original show was until I came to this part of the forum.

No one is really mudslinging the old show. The people involved in TOS produced great television on a limited budget. The advances in technology and the expectations of an audience with a big budget film or even a big budget series demand a much more detail than was possible for that time. GR believed that when he started to hire poeple for Phase II and later for TMP. That's why the original ship was redesigned in the first place. If the people involved with TOS though the 60s design ethic was dated in the mid-late 70s, there's certainly no harm or foul in the fact that someone would believe that in this decade.

The original ship was redesigned for TMP and the next phase because it was literally twelve years later. The universe and the actors were twelve years older. This is a prequil.

 

[number6]

My fear is that it will only increase the mudslinging at the older show. Which has already happened to an extent.

I never realized how 'bad' the original show was until I came to this part of the forum.

No one is really mudslinging the old show. The people involved in TOS produced great television on a limited budget. The advances in technology and the expectations of an audience with a big budget film or even a big budget series demand a much more detail than was possible for that time. GR believed that when he started to hire poeple for Phase II and later for TMP. That's why the original ship was redesigned in the first place. If the people involved with TOS though the 60s design ethic was dated in the mid-late 70s, there's certainly no harm or foul in the fact that someone would believe that in this decade.

The original ship was redesigned for TMP and the next phase because it was literally twelve years later. The universe and the actors were twelve years older. This is a prequil.

First: it's spelled "prequel."

Second: As I said before I fully expect that a new production team is going to want to bring fresh ideas to the table. I don't have a problem with redesigning the past to make it look more modern for a 21st century audience. I don't think such an audience would buy into a 60s design ethic.

The original ship was redesigned for TMP for the reasons I spelled out in previous posts. The fact that they chose to set it after the TOS era is beside the point.

 

[xortex]

No one is really mudslinging the old show. The people involved in TOS produced great television on a limited budget. The advances in technology and the expectations of an audience with a big budget film or even a big budget series demand a much more detail than was possible for that time. GR believed that when he started to hire poeple for Phase II and later for TMP. That's why the original ship was redesigned in the first place. If the people involved with TOS though the 60s design ethic was dated in the mid-late 70s, there's certainly no harm or foul in the fact that someone would believe that in this decade.

The original ship was redesigned for TMP and the next phase because it was literally twelve years later. The universe and the actors were twelve years older. This is a prequil.

First: it's spelled "prequel."

Second: As I said before I fully expect that a new production team is going to want to bring fresh ideas to the table. I don't have a problem with redesigning the past to make it look more modern for a 21st century audience. I don't think such an audience would buy into a 60s design ethic.

The original ship was redesigned for TMP for the reasons I spelled out in previous posts. The fact that they chose to set it after the TOS era is beside the point.

I don't agree that TMP was a reboot even though they actually had different boots.

 

[number6]

The original ship was redesigned for TMP and the next phase because it was literally twelve years later. The universe and the actors were twelve years older. This is a prequil.

First: it's spelled "prequel."

Second: As I said before I fully expect that a new production team is going to want to bring fresh ideas to the table. I don't have a problem with redesigning the past to make it look more modern for a 21st century audience. I don't think such an audience would buy into a 60s design ethic.

The original ship was redesigned for TMP for the reasons I spelled out in previous posts. The fact that they chose to set it after the TOS era is beside the point.

I don't agree that TMP was a reboot even though they actually had different boots.

Since neither film is a reboot, there's no need for disagreement.

 

[xortex]

It certainly seems like Trek XI is a reboot. Am I wrong?

 

[SalvorHardin]

It certainly seems like Trek XI is a reboot. Am I wrong?

Judging by what the director and writers have told us so far in various interviews, yes you are wrong.

Quotes can be found here in various threads and at Trekmovie.

 

[3D Master]

No one is saying it's garbage because it's older. The fact that technolgy has moved beyond what people in the 60s had envisioned as "futuristic" cannot be ignored, though.

Those would have thought that go-go boots and mini-skirts were liberating for women would call it sexist now. You can't create believable sci-fi in a vacuum of a 60s mindset and still have it be believable. That's the point the producers of Trek XI have been making, just as every producer of Trek has (including GR) since the original show.

So why are the female uniforms for this movie go-go boots and miniskirts?

They look cool, and it's an homage to TOS. It still hasn't stopped the outrage of some purists who think they should be in trousers.

You just called the uniforms sexist, and just like the true Enterprise impossible to do in this day and age. And yet it's okay? This does not compute. Either ALL of it is okay, or NONE of it is.

There is also the outrage that Chris Pine is making out with a green orion slave girl. OMG!! Sex in Trek???? They forgot what a horndog Captain Kirk was on TOS. Why is it ok for TOS Kirk and not Trek XI Kirk??

Maybe you should go watch TOS again. You'll find that Kirk is with a woman only two or three times in 78 episodes; and at least once of those times is that he's lost his memory.

Kirk is most certainly not a horndog.

 

[number6]

So why are the female uniforms for this movie go-go boots and miniskirts?

They look cool, and it's an homage to TOS. It still hasn't stopped the outrage of some purists who think they should be in trousers.

You just called the uniforms sexist, and just like the true Enterprise impossible to do in this day and age. And yet it's okay? This does not compute. Either ALL of it is okay, or NONE of it is.

No one in reality deals in absolutes. I didn't call the uniforms sexist. Reread what it was I said.

There is also the outrage that Chris Pine is making out with a green orion slave girl. OMG!! Sex in Trek???? They forgot what a horndog Captain Kirk was on TOS. Why is it ok for TOS Kirk and not Trek XI Kirk??

Maybe you should go watch TOS again. You'll find that Kirk is with a woman only two or three times in 78 episodes; and at least once of those times is that he's lost his memory.

Kirk is most certainly not a horndog.

You're the one who needs to go back and watch. You clearly don't know what you're talking about....as usual.

 

[3D Master]

They look cool, and it's an homage to TOS. It still hasn't stopped the outrage of some purists who think they should be in trousers.

You just called the uniforms sexist, and just like the true Enterprise impossible to do in this day and age. And yet it's okay? This does not compute. Either ALL of it is okay, or NONE of it is.

No one in reality deals in absolutes. I didn't call the uniforms sexist. Reread what it was I said.

Maybe you should do that.

There is also the outrage that Chris Pine is making out with a green orion slave girl. OMG!! Sex in Trek???? They forgot what a horndog Captain Kirk was on TOS. Why is it ok for TOS Kirk and not Trek XI Kirk??

Maybe you should go watch TOS again. You'll find that Kirk is with a woman only two or three times in 78 episodes; and at least once of those times is that he's lost his memory.

Kirk is most certainly not a horndog.

You're the one who needs to go back and watch. You clearly don't know what you're talking about....as usual.

No, that would be you.

 

[xortex]

It certainly seems like Trek XI is a reboot. Am I wrong?

Judging by what the director and writers have told us so far in various interviews, yes you are wrong.

Quotes can be found here in various threads and at Trekmovie.

I'm guessing you've never been lied to before?

 

[Brutal Strudel]

Actually, Klingons are a bunch of sneaky little fascists no bigger than James Kirk. See "Errand Of Mercy."

And "The Trouble with Tribbles." And "Friday's Child." And...

 

[SalvorHardin]

It certainly seems like Trek XI is a reboot. Am I wrong?

Judging by what the director and writers have told us so far in various interviews, yes you are wrong.

Quotes can be found here in various threads and at Trekmovie.

I'm guessing you've never been lied to before?

I'll do the smart and reasonable thing and actually see the movie first before I decide if they lied or not. Then we can talk.

Until then, personally and since very little is actually known about Trek XI I'll take their word over any uninformed poster's here.

 

[Dayton3]

They look cool, and it's an homage to TOS. It still hasn't stopped the outrage of some purists who think they should be in trousers.

You just called the uniforms sexist, and just like the true Enterprise impossible to do in this day and age. And yet it's okay? This does not compute. Either ALL of it is okay, or NONE of it is.

No one in reality deals in absolutes. I didn't call the uniforms sexist. Reread what it was I said.

There is also the outrage that Chris Pine is making out with a green orion slave girl. OMG!! Sex in Trek???? They forgot what a horndog Captain Kirk was on TOS. Why is it ok for TOS Kirk and not Trek XI Kirk??

Maybe you should go watch TOS again. You'll find that Kirk is with a woman only two or three times in 78 episodes; and at least once of those times is that he's lost his memory.

Kirk is most certainly not a horndog.

You're the one who needs to go back and watch. You clearly don't know what you're talking about....as usual.

Actually he is very much correct.

Captain Kirk actually had very few "encounters" with women during the original series.

Most of James Kirk's "womanizing" or whatever you call it was implied. Mainly by several ex girlfriends showing up such as Areel Shaw, Dr. Wallace, and Ruth.

But these were apparently spread over more than a decade in the past.

Most of the idea of Kirk as a skirt chaser comes from fans who automatically connect the character of Kirk with the actor William Shatner who was legendary in that regard.