Finally, some indication thought can affect matter!

[An Officer]

Re: Thought can affect matter!

Only to the modern, purely materialistic, dualistic mind, in which science is the only religion, can we say that thought and matter/reality have no relation.
In other words, this weblink may be purely tinfoil hat, but there is no reason to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

In my experience though, one has to sincerely open oneself to such experience, which is something a materialist cannot do. But the truth is, thought can be extremely powerful. But it is subtle energy, like chi. It cannot be perceived by a dualistic mind, or more accurately, it can be perceived, but cannot be acknowledged.

Absolutely. I agree completely. The power of thought, is by necessity, a spiritual and therefore intuitive process, rather than entirely physical.

Notions concerning the potential capabilities of a hyper-conscious mind are increasingly hitting the mainstream, it's possibly the best kept secret and very exciting.

...Many people would actually describe themselves as spiritual, rather than religious, as much of religion has become unduly concerned with the material - money/power. The point is, raising personal levels of awareness/consciousness, can break down boundaries and bring universal unity, irrespective of religion race or whatever. I really believe that we are nearing our next phase of evolution, the next light-bulb moment... similar to the leap from Homo erectus, to Homo sapien, and all that lay between, and now to... what next?

I strongly believe our next phase of development will involve the physical power of though... many already argue for Einstein's Unified theory, the idea that all things are connected - along that vein, it may one day be possible to prove thought, or inner essence/spirit, can travel faster than light, as we are as connected to the universe as larger physical objects are. Metal interstellar vehicles, and gigantic fuel consumption, in this light can appear seriously backward.

 

[Velocity]

Re: Thought can affect matter!

As far as religious beliefs go, this is a rather pleasant one; but I don't believe that there is any mechanism whereby thoughts can affect matter.

as far as ancient philosophies go, water is one of the four classic elements, along with Earth, Wind, and Fire.

I've never understood why they never let Water perform on any of their albums.

I understand it was because they wouldn't let Water go with the flow.

 

[tharpdevenport]

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I recall, but can't recall enough, a scientific test conducted where the alpha brain waves were used to turn "Off" and "On" a light switch.

 

[RevdKathy]

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Actually, there's quite a lot of evidence that thought can affect matter, especially living systems. However, the effect is miniscule and not really frequent enough to be usable. Statisically significant, though. Most scientists are scared to even begin to investigate because of the effect of their careers.

Suggest you read William Braud on "Distant Mental Influence" and Irwin and Watt's introduction to parapsychology.

 

[cultcross]

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Well to a certain extent it is absurdly obvious that thoughts affect matter. I am typing this because my thoughts have caused my fingers to press the correct keys (most of the time ). This is achieved through direct stimulation of my muscle tissue by nervous impulses.
Thoughts, memories, and other cognitive processes are not some ethereal phenomenon, distinct form the physical world. They are electrical impulses, with as much reality as the electricity powering this keyboard. It would be surprising, therefore, if they didn't affect matter in some way.

 

[RJDiogenes]

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^^ The question is, through what mechanism would thoughts affect matter remotely? How are the thoughts transmitted? Some undiscovered organ? Through what mechanism? Some undiscovered boson? In what ways do the thoughts interact with matter to get specific results? It's all a bit abstract.

I've never understood why they never let Water perform on any of their albums.

I understand it was because they wouldn't let Water go with the flow.

Actually, I heard he used to freeze up on winter tours.

 

[iguana_tonante]

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It appears water is one of the more baffling elements on our planet. It seems to have almost unexplainable metamorphic powers - as a lot of other quantum mechanics studies also seem to be showing. Molecules of water change, depending on what they are exposed to...

Bullshit.

A considerable amount of modern cutting edge science appears to indicate spirituality and the building blocks of life or not so far removed from one another...

Huh?

That's probably just something to sell the book, as after all, scientists need to bring home the bacon to their families too...

Actually, scientists do actual science. A thing this mister does not.

Only to the modern, purely materialistic, dualistic mind, in which science is the only religion, can we say that thought and matter/reality have no relation.
In other words, this weblink may be purely tinfoil hat, but there is no reason to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

In my experience though, one has to sincerely open oneself to such experience, which is something a materialist cannot do. But the truth is, thought can be extremely powerful. But it is subtle energy, like chi. It cannot be percieved by a dualistic mind, or more accurately, it can be percieved, but cannot be acknowledged.

Again, huh?

 

[cultcross]

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^^ The question is, through what mechanism would thoughts affect matter remotely? How are the thoughts transmitted? Some undiscovered organ? Through what mechanism? Some undiscovered boson? In what ways do the thoughts interact with matter to get specific results? It's all a bit abstract.

Are you referring to mechanisms by which thought impulses could leave the body?
Theoretically, any conductor could carry a nervous action potential. We see "normal" electricity interacting with our nervous systems fairly regularly - ever had a static shock? Or seen a defibrillator in use? The only thing necessary to transmit nervous impulses beyond the body would be to reverse the process, as it were.
You wouldn't need any new particle or radical new physics to explain that - the questions that remain are: does it actually occur physiologically, and can those nervous impulses actually affect the outside world in a way that could be controlled - after all, the matter they met in the 'outside world' wouldn't be set up like a muscle to understand the arrival of an action potential. Given the wealth of evidence that the answer to both is a resounding no, I'd be tempted to say it is safe to conclude this is the case unless startling evidence to the contrary comes to light.

 

[An Officer]

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I would think the idea of thought directly affecting matter is no more strange than what happens in quantum entanglement - whereby particles communicate remotely and instantly. There is a definite connection between such particles which defies space/time barriers. Thought would likely circumnavigate currently understood physics in a similar way.

"Generally accepted" weird science:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement

I would think turning a light on or off with a thought, would look positively mundane by comparison. Especially when you consider experiments with the entanglement phenomena have demonstrated actual quantum teleportation!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_teleportation

I find all this very exciting!

 

[Arrqh]

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Quantum mechanics is unintuitive based on our general experiences with the macro universe... but I'd hardly call it "weird science." It's firmly grounded in both physical observations and backed up by a whole lot of math. Further, the nature of the universe is such that the things you are referring to as "weird science" are increasingly uncommon as you talk about larger and larger systems to the point where they are virtually nonexistent in the macro universe in which we operate... which is why it seems to unintuitive to begin with.

There are some ideas floating around involving explanations of consciousness that involve quantum mechanics... but there are a lot of problems with all of them, least of all is the fact that we can't really construct any experiments to examine it. It makes for an interesting discussion, sure, but not a valid scientific concept at this time.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Re: Thought can affect matter!

^^ The question is, through what mechanism would thoughts affect matter remotely? How are the thoughts transmitted? Some undiscovered organ? Through what mechanism? Some undiscovered boson? In what ways do the thoughts interact with matter to get specific results? It's all a bit abstract.

Are you referring to mechanisms by which thought impulses could leave the body?

Yes, exactly. That's what I meant by "remotely." Action at a distance.

Theoretically, any conductor could carry a nervous action potential. We see "normal" electricity interacting with our nervous systems fairly regularly - ever had a static shock? Or seen a defibrillator in use? The only thing necessary to transmit nervous impulses beyond the body would be to reverse the process, as it were.

Sure, but those things have power sources greater than the Human body and the electricity is delivered by direct contact. The Human body has no mechanism for expelling electricity in a directed way, over any great distance.

You wouldn't need any new particle or radical new physics to explain that - the questions that remain are: does it actually occur physiologically, and can those nervous impulses actually affect the outside world in a way that could be controlled - after all, the matter they met in the 'outside world' wouldn't be set up like a muscle to understand the arrival of an action potential. Given the wealth of evidence that the answer to both is a resounding no, I'd be tempted to say it is safe to conclude this is the case unless startling evidence to the contrary comes to light.

Yes, exactly; any low-level electricity given off by the Human body would be chaotic, not organized, and there would be no expectation that matter would respond to it at all, let along in any unusual manner. That's why you would need undiscovered physics to explain it-- as well as undiscovered biology.