200 year hole??

[Deks]

Regardless of how advanced the tech is, the show itself can be very interesting.
What it essentially boils down to is to the fact that Trek writers apparently have issues coupling advanced technology setting with drama.
So they resort (idiotically) to completely dumb things down so the 'drama' would flourish (often ending up badly because in the end they insult the overall intelligence of people).

Highly advanced tech can and does work with drama.
The writers are the problem who cannot make one work with the other.

 

[Kaziarl]

2. An interesting potential series plot that combines using the two in a way that generates challenges has occurred to me - and is one of the missions my fanfic Enterprise very occasionally undertakes: historical disaster retrieval missions. Things like mocking up corpses that would pass examination by the medical community of the time, and travelling back to rescue the people who "died" on the Titanic, replacing them with the mock-ups. Sounds easy enough if everything goes smoothly, right?

That sounds oddly familiar. Like from a movie... But for the life of me I can't remember the name of it.

This group from a geneticly stagnant future were "rescuing" people from plane crashes moments before they happened. In the end they took all these rescued people, reversed there time portal, and sent them into the future to a better and healed world.

 

[votd]

^ Millennium?

 

[USS Triumphant]

^ Millennium?

I've never seen it, but I've read a synopsis at some point, and it does sound a lot like what Kaziarl is talking about. It may even be similar to what I'm talking about, but I wasn't inspired by it. My thoughts mostly came from thinking way too hard about aspects of Back To The Future.

 

[Eric Cheung]

Regardless of how advanced the tech is, the show itself can be very interesting.
What it essentially boils down to is to the fact that Trek writers apparently have issues coupling advanced technology setting with drama.
So they resort (idiotically) to completely dumb things down so the 'drama' would flourish (often ending up badly because in the end they insult the overall intelligence of people).

Highly advanced tech can and does work with drama.
The writers are the problem who cannot make one work with the other.

I found the opposite problem: the higher the technology, the more dumbed down and lazy the show seemed. All anyone had to do was say whatever the science advisor said to the writers to say. When solutions came from negotiations or interpersonal communication, the drama was better and more intelligent.

 

[Kaziarl]

^ Millennium?

I've never seen it, but I've read a synopsis at some point, and it does sound a lot like what Kaziarl is talking about. It may even be similar to what I'm talking about, but I wasn't inspired by it. My thoughts mostly came from thinking way too hard about aspects of Back To The Future.

I didn't mean to apply you did, just that it sounds familiar. One of my lit teachers said there are no new ideas, just different points of view

 

[USS Triumphant]

One of my lit teachers said there are no new ideas, just different points of view

And I agree entirely. Humanity tells the same stories over and over, just with different characters and settings. And that's fine - they're classic stories that we all identify with. It's very rare that we tell a new story. Most of the time when someone tries, they get too fancy and are full of fail - the story just doesn't ring true.

 

[3D Master]

Photon torpedoes.

Seriously; they start with an awe inspiring powerful weapon.

Stop use it and in the 23rd use a much less impressive weapon.

Then they get to the 24th century and start use the same awesome photon torpedoes of the 22nd century again!?!?!?


But then, Enterprise was idiotic, so I just ignore that pile of junk.

 

[T'Cal]

I never understood why Data didn't interface directly with the ship either by linking up to a port or by wireless technology. Initiating red alert, raising shields, arming weapons, locking on targets, firing weapons, readying the tractor beam, beaming out survivors, along with a billion other decisions could be made in a split second saving many, many lives.

 

[3D Master]

^ Millennium?

I've never seen it, but I've read a synopsis at some point, and it does sound a lot like what Kaziarl is talking about. It may even be similar to what I'm talking about, but I wasn't inspired by it. My thoughts mostly came from thinking way too hard about aspects of Back To The Future.

I didn't mean to apply you did, just that it sounds familiar. One of my lit teachers said there are no new ideas, just different points of view

Can't remember the title, but it was a movie with Emilio Estevez, where rich old people zapped young people just before their death in the past, to then transfer their consciousness to the young body so they could live longer. Emilio, a race car driver, of course escapes, action ensues.

 

[Sci]

I never understood why Data didn't interface directly with the ship either by linking up to a port or by wireless technology. Initiating red alert, raising shields, arming weapons, locking on targets, firing weapons, readying the tractor beam, beaming out survivors, along with a billion other decisions could be made in a split second saving many, many lives.

.... presumably because Data wasn't the commanding officer and therefore had no more authority to make those decisions than anyone other crewmember?

 

[C.E. Evans]

I've never seen it, but I've read a synopsis at some point, and it does sound a lot like what Kaziarl is talking about. It may even be similar to what I'm talking about, but I wasn't inspired by it. My thoughts mostly came from thinking way too hard about aspects of Back To The Future.

I didn't mean to apply you did, just that it sounds familiar. One of my lit teachers said there are no new ideas, just different points of view

Can't remember the title, but it was a movie with Emilio Estevez, where rich old people zapped young people just before their death in the past, to then transfer their consciousness to the young body so they could live longer. Emilio, a race car driver, of course escapes, action ensues.

Freejack.

Never saw it myself, but I do remember Estevez and Mick Jagger being in it.

 

[xortex]

Polaris himself pointed out no real functional difference between TOS technology and TNG so why change things.

 

[Timo]

It can always be a "balance of terror" thing: more powerful weapons are negated by more powerful shields, and more accurate sensors are defeated by more versatile jamming and camouflaging. Handguns reach a plateau of destructive power because collateral damage is not desired, small craft don't get any smaller or larger because they are already pared down to optimum when we first see them, and so forth.

How much does technology really affect the drama of everyday life? One would think that the current revolution in communications technology would pretty soon culminate in global telepathy and instant access to all information - but if that hasn't happened by the time of ENT, then obviously there is some reason for it, and we can't argue the reason would go away by the time of TOS or TNG or ever. People and mores might set the limits even when technology promises unlimited advancements.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Augustus]

Off topic, sorry, but all this discussion of time ships and such got me thinking.
Civilization as we know progresses to where we are now, and then on through Enterprise, TOS, TNG, etc... then in the 25th or 26th or in the centuries beyond, the technology to time travel is as common as electricity. So people start going back in time to observe or change. And they start doing it so much that the past and present and future are all affected.

It seems like there would almost come a point, where the future would cease to exist because so much changing would be taking place.

Does that make any sense??? Sorry I know that is random.

 

[Mistral]

There is a logic to that.^
I'm thinking power to timetravel is the hold-up. Massive amounts of power needed-and the farther back you go, the more you need until you run into the temporal equivalent of E=MC2 and can't go any farther. Anyway-I found Enterprise's tech advancing a little too fast, somewhat out of sequence with the rest of the series(s). On the other hand-a harpoon in space? I should think robot-controlled mini-probes with peroxide jets would be more realistic when it came to affecting another ship's movement.....

 

[Darkwing]

Maybe they should have done something like this...


24th century:
- all starships have transwarp, slipstream or something like that
- Federation starships (or at least newer ships and those ships who might see combat) are regularly equipped with cloaking devices
- no photon torpedoes (instead use the quantum torpedoes beginning with the first season of TNG)
- have starships be equipped with an artificial intelligence

That would have sucked. Those things are the exact reason I would prefer
not to see a 26th, 27th etc, century Star Trek. Everything just gets way
too over the top.

This could have really been a big improvement, so long as the new tech is not shown to so completely solve the problems the old tech had as to make the heroes invincible. We had biplanes, then the prop craft in WWII, then jets, and each stage improved over the previous, but never blew things so out of proportion that they ceased to excite the imagination.

 

[Red Ranger]

It's a fascinating question. I did think the tech was too much the same in ENT's 22nd century to the 23rd and 24 centuries.

It would make more sense that by the 24th century, starships would possess some kind of transwarp technology, and, as Ensign Redshirt suggested, it might've been much better for the Bajoran Wormhole to reach into another galaxy, rather than the Gamma Quadrant.

Red Ranger

 

[RobertScorpio]

It's a fascinating question. I did think the tech was too much the same in ENT's 22nd century to the 23rd and 24 centuries.

It would make more sense that by the 24th century, starships would possess some kind of transwarp technology, and, as Ensign Redshirt suggested, it might've been much better for the Bajoran Wormhole to reach into another galaxy, rather than the Gamma Quadrant.

Red Ranger

Yep..i agree with you and Redshirt. Maybe scotty did more damage to the Excelsior than he thought!!

Rob

 

[happyOX]

200 year gap between Enterprise and TNG-era shows...



too long
200 years later who could remember us?