[Spoilers] Seriously flawed plotline

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I haven't read this entire thread, so forgive me if this has been stated. But, I see this Gary Mitchell reference come up all the time as describing Kirk as a cadet. It does not. Mitchell is describing Kirk as he was as an instructor at the academy: "Watch out for LT. KIRK, IN HIS CLASS you either think or sink." I have never served in the Navy, but I do recall reading in Tom Clancy's book about the submarine service that junior officers often spend a period of time back at the academy as instructors before they are given a command posting. Someone with more knowledge than me on that subject might clear that up. But in any case, the "stack of books with legs" was a Lt., not a cadet.

All true, but I still find it rather odd that in the film, Kirk needs an excuse to get on board the Enterprise. If he was already an officer, I don't see why he'd need to do that.

And the reason it's widely suspected that Kirk is a cadet in the film is not because of Gary, it's because of his black uniform.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

And the reason it's widely suspected that Kirk is a cadet in the film is not because of Gary, it's because of his black uniform.

Why? What did anyone associated with this production say about black uniforms that makes you think he is a cadet?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

And the reason it's widely suspected that Kirk is a cadet in the film is not because of Gary, it's because of his black uniform.

Why? What did someone associated with this production say about black uniforms?

I thought one of the writers (or JJ himself) said that this is what cadets wear in this timeframe.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Entertainment Weekly article wrote:

"Kirk spends much of Star Trek dressed in respectable black — space-cadet colors in Abrams' Trekverse"
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I suppoase that could be taken on face-value -- i.e., EW magazine has the inside information as to what the black uniform means. Or, possibly the magazine was just trying to be clever and slip the words "space-cadet" someplace in their article.

When Alex Kurtzman was asked why Kirk is wearing black, all he said was:

"It is not a random thing. There is a reason his shirt is the color that it is."
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Maybe the "reason" is that he is a cadet...but that has not been confirmed.

Even if Kirk is a cadet (wearing black) who must sneak aboard the Enterprise, that still does not mean he goes from cadet to Captain in a few days/weeks time. We have no idea how much time passes in this film between Kirk first arriving on the Enterprise (as a cadet wearing black even?) and when he becomes Captain

(by the way, babaganoosh, I see one of your "Badass Robau" statements made it to "trekmovie.com" )

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

(by the way, babaganoosh, I see one of your "Badass Rabau" statements made it to "trekmovie.com" )

unfortunately, it was one I 'adapted' from a Jack Bauer Facts page (or was it Chuck Norris?).

 

[Brainsucker]

From what we now know, Kirk is a cadet when he sneaks onboard the Enterprise. Then, when Pike goes off-ship to deal with an emergency, Spock is placed in command and Pike makes Kirk the First Officer under Spock. This is despite the fact that Scotty, McCoy, Uhura, Sulu and a hundred other officers are onboard. An insubordinant and almost criminal cadet is promoted to First Officer ... and then, having been goaded by future Spock, Kirk provokes young Spock into losing his emotional cool, at which point he assumes command of the Enterprise, once again without hundreds of other officers objecting to this jump in the chain of command.

If this were some generic sci-fi movie shown on a Sunday afternoon on the Sci-Fi Channel, I could ignore that incredibly poorly thought out and illogical (yes, I'm opening up space for Spock jokes) plot and then make fun of it on here the next day ... but this is Star Trek! Forgetting that the characters and ship already have a well-defined history that's being rewritten, it's supposed to be, well, you know, good. And not totally illogical and unbelievable.

Yes, I'll still be first in line to see the movie, yes, I'm still a Star Trek fan, but come on, couldn't they have done better than this to reboot the franchise? Poor poor poor writing.

dude, spoiler and over analyst is not good for your health. It's scary really, because with all of this, our excitement are vanished when the movie come.