Well, honestly, the Red Sox haven't needed to do as much as the Yankees have.
Peavy would prefer to go to an NL team, but he's said that he'd (reluctantly) accept a trade to the Red Sox.
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Peavy would prefer to go to an NL team, but he's said that he'd (reluctantly) accept a trade to the Red Sox.
Well at this point the Padres almost need to trade him, so maybe the asking price will come down. It would be cool to see him in a Sox uniform though.
Though over the next few years I want to see the Killer B's coming up onto the Sox Roster: Buchholz, Bard, and Bowden.
i feel your pain. i have been feeling like that for years. ive thought the sox have made the right moves for the last few years while cashman has overpayed for players that have not worked out.
You know, I'm not going to rail about salary caps, or out-of-control spending, or anything like that.
I'm just very, very amused that the Yankees needed, needed, needed $220 million from the City of New York to build their new stadium, and then they go and spend $341 million on two players. It's over $400 million with Burnett's contract. And New York City and New York State are $1 billion and $15 billion in the hole right now, respectively. Have fun with that, New York taxpayers.
Well, I'm sure that with the booming economy, no one will mind.
I'm just very, very amused that the Yankees needed, needed, needed $220 million from the City of New York to build their new stadium, and then they go and spend $341 million on two players. It's over $400 million with Burnett's contract. And New York City and New York State are $1 billion and $15 billion in the hole right now, respectively. Have fun with that, New York taxpayers.
Well, I'm sure that with the booming economy, no one will mind.
Of course they needed it. Thanks to the debt service payments on Yankee II, the Yankees avoid paying the luxury tax on their payroll, and puts them at a competitive advantage vis a vis the Red Sox.
according to mlb.com yesterday the yankees paid 23 million in luxury taxes this year.
My point is, they won't next year. They can carry these large payroll contracts, and the debt service on the new stadium counts against their luxury tax.
He's at 295.
It's really, really not. If there were a salary cap in baseball, the Yankees and Red Sox would spend more money on player development / international signings / draft picks. They would inadvertently make fewer bad signings and stupid moves. Do you really want that? The current system keeps large-market teams competitive every year, but by no means does it make them permanent dynasties.
The salary cap works well in football because there is no minor league player development, the draft is a draft of players able to contribute almost immediately.
If you really want to fix the competitive advantage, fix the draft, as that shit is broken as all hell. It's ridiculous that teams can't draft the best player available / player they need, because of "signability issues."
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True, I agree the draft needs fixing. However, I do think that a salary cap, or at least a penalty larger then the tax system already in place needs to seriously thought about.
I am a Red Sox fan, and no they are not a small market team in the slightest, however, this bunching of them and the Yankee's together due to the Sox recent success is starting to become insane. The highest their payroll has been since 2000 was 143 million. Compare that to the Yankee's 210 million, and the Sox are closer to the Angels, another recently successful team, in payroll, then the Yankees. Last year they were fourth in the league in payroll, and this year they are going to go even lower. The 04 team was a group of veterans, but the more recent teams are successful because of a player development, as well as free agent signings. However, other then the Manny contract, which is now gone, there are no contracts on the Sox roster that compare to the contracts that Teix, CC, and Burnett got, and the contracts that Jeter and Arod currently have. There grouping of the Sox and the Yankee's together are innaccurate, A. Because they don't have the financial resources, and B. Their front office policies are much stricter then the Yankees.
The Yankees operate on a different planet. People for some reason look at the Dice-K signing as a sign that the Red Sox can compete with the Yankees. That was a close bid. If that bid was an open FA signing, I can say for certain Dice-K would be a Yankee. They can out pay for anyone and everyone. There needs to be a system to bring them down to a payroll that could be even comparable to the rest of the league.
I would consider your points valid if the Red Sox hadn't offered Teixeira eight years for $200 million. Theo Epstein threw the same bucketload of money at him that everyone else did. The Sox offer to Tex was only $1.5 million less per year than the Yankees' offer, and he makes less sense on the Sox than he does on the Yankees (positional depth, prospects, etc.).
Teixeira simply didn't want to play for the Sox -- quite possibly because of lingering resentment over how the Red Sox tried to torpedo him when he came up for the draft several years ago. We can bitch and moan and debate money all we want, but it's always going to come down to the management of a team. Until we get something close to a level playing field, management-wise, I don't expect we're going to see the big-spenders really take over. If we put, say, Oaklands's, Tampa's and Arizona's management teams in control of the Mets, Dodgers and Cubs, I think we'd be in better position to see where money would begin to control the sport.
There may come a time when the big-money teams truly rule over the rest, but it's not here yet. Yeah, teams like Oakland may need to rebuild relatively often, but because they have a good management team in place, the significant mistakes aren't nearly as likely to come, and that helps close the gap. Put Bill Bavasi, Ed Lynch, Ned Colletti, Allard Baird or Dave Littlefield in there and it's a whole different story. It's not about how much money you spend, it's how you spend it, as the following image shows:
This throws some things into perspective, such as how the top 6 teams all finished higher than their salary rank except for the dead-even Red Sox, and how 9 of the bottom ten (the exception being the other dead-even team, Pittsburgh) all overspent for their failure, most by an utterly absurd margin.
Teixeira simply didn't want to play for the Sox -- quite possibly because of lingering resentment over how the Red Sox tried to torpedo him when he came up for the draft several years ago. We can bitch and moan and debate money all we want, but it's always going to come down to the management of a team. Until we get something close to a level playing field, management-wise, I don't expect we're going to see the big-spenders really take over. If we put, say, Oaklands's, Tampa's and Arizona's management teams in control of the Mets, Dodgers and Cubs, I think we'd be in better position to see where money would begin to control the sport.
There may come a time when the big-money teams truly rule over the rest, but it's not here yet. Yeah, teams like Oakland may need to rebuild relatively often, but because they have a good management team in place, the significant mistakes aren't nearly as likely to come, and that helps close the gap. Put Bill Bavasi, Ed Lynch, Ned Colletti, Allard Baird or Dave Littlefield in there and it's a whole different story. It's not about how much money you spend, it's how you spend it, as the following image shows:
This throws some things into perspective, such as how the top 6 teams all finished higher than their salary rank except for the dead-even Red Sox, and how 9 of the bottom ten (the exception being the other dead-even team, Pittsburgh) all overspent for their failure, most by an utterly absurd margin.
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thats because unlike the yankees the red sox ownership chooses to put their profits in their pockets rather than reinvesting it into their team . according to forbes magazine the red sox generate nearly as much income as the yankees.they could spend the money to get the players they want. they choose to do otherwise.tom servo you direct all this anger at the yankees for putting money into their team but i suggest you direct that anger at your teams ownership which is too greedy to do the same.
The Yankees operate on a different planet. People for some reason look at the Dice-K signing as a sign that the Red Sox can compete with the Yankees. That was a close bid. If that bid was an open FA signing, I can say for certain Dice-K would be a Yankee. They can out pay for anyone and everyone. There needs to be a system to bring them down to a payroll that could be even comparable to the rest of the league.[/quote]
close bid? how do you figure that? the sox bid 52 million to the yankess 32. sorry, that's not close.and that was just for the rights to negotiate with him! then they signed him to a 6yr deal worth nearly 51 million.
close bid? how do you figure that? the sox bid 52 million to the yankess 32. sorry, that's not close.and that was just for the rights to negotiate with him! then they signed him to a 6yr deal worth nearly 51 million.
close bid? how do you figure that? the sox bid 52 million to the yankess 32. sorry, that's not close.and that was just for the rights to negotiate with him! then they signed him to a 6yr deal worth nearly 51 million.[/QUOTE]
Closed bid as in the original posting fee to talk to Dice-K was a closed bid, the teams did not know each others number.
So fine, they signed the guy to a 52 mil, 6 year deal, hell I will even add in the posting fee of 51 million. So in total the deal is 103 million over six years...if you add the posting fee. It still doesn't even come close to the 7 yr/ $161 million that CC got. And Dice-K has been the biggest FA signing since the new administration took over.
JKTim, great chart BTW, the Red Sox never offered $200 Million for Teixieria, and the numbers are fuzzy out there for what they did offer, but it was between 170-180 million, and they were not happy about having to offer even that. And besides, even if they had gotten Teixiera at 180 million, they still hadn't signed two pitchers to 161 million and 80 million dollar contracts.
LMAO! Not with the Giants he won't.
Not a fan of Hendry, JKTim?
I think Hendry's made some questionable moves over the years, but at the same time he's put together teams that had the first back-to-back winning seasons in decades, and the teams that had the first back-to-back postseason appearances in a century.
The postseason is, unfortunately, a crapshoot. I'm not trying to absolve Lou Pinella of some questionable managerial decisions (like, say, the entire final week of the regular season), nor am I excusing the Cubs poor performance on the shitty television schedule. We can second-guess the way the 2008 campaign ended until we're blue in the face, but it won't change anything. All we can hope for is a third straight postseason appearance by the Cubbies. And I think we'll be well positioned for that.
^That's the problem with him though. His health is problematic at best.
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