A stranger just grabbed my junk.

[Elmo Dukat]

Tigh's Eye said:
So, are you trying to pick a battle of the sexes fight? I disagree with you Elmo

You're the one who wants a fight, apparently. I'd love for this thread to get funny again (esp. since I have accidentally jabbed the junk of a girl friend and would love to tell the story --- yes, girls have junk too, it's just a bit inverted )

I like Hermiod, and I'm trying hard to take his feelings into account, as I said more than once in my response. Those things were ignored in your quote, so I can't really believe you were trying to be constructive. I was standing up for something I considered to be (and others considered to be, if you read the responses by An Officer and others, above) an on-going problem that doesn't get much press.

I'd point out all the contradictions and outright mischaracterizations in your response to me, but it's pretty pointless, since I've been down this road with you before and I know it has no end.

So now, let's all get back into the junk drawer!

 

[blablover5]

If it makes it any better, I'm grabbing my own junk while posting.

It doesn't make it better.

It makes it harder.

Um...

Did someone slip you a smarmy little blue pill or something? Or is our little Holdy a little tipsy tonight>

 

[Captain Ice]

^I think bro spiked his eggnog....

 

[Elmo Dukat]

Wth all due respect, how do you know? Maybe you should try next time. I think the mods in Misc are more than reasonable (and though I'm biased a bit, I try to be objective about this ). Even if it's not actionable, many mods are open to conversation via PM about these sorts of problems.

Repeated personal experience and seeing how other people attempting to use the moderation system on this board has shown me that it is not worth the effort.

References? At the very least, this is an exaggeration. There's plenty of discussion about female stereotypes - 100 to 1? I think you're looking for things that aren't there. References: From slutty confused cousins to older women to those girls that string you along and then they're dating your best friend, this stuff is everywhere. I was in a thread not too long ago (right before my last unofficial 'hiatus') where it was impossible to convince the populace that women were NOT gold diggers by default, especially younger women (the culture was blamed, but that doesn't change its misogynistic nature).

All of those threads get jumped on. They turn in to pages and pages of people taking the piss out of the person who started them.



You jump to that word far too easily, I can easily counter that your repeated use of it makes you look like a misandrist. I know that's not true, but it's funny how things can make you look.

It's funny how suggesting that an all-male moderating staff means they're letting anti-female sentiment slide, especially when they're just following rules set down by a woman, can make you look too.



And I am not going to stand down when I see this, as in this very kind of thread, coming up again and again. I'm not going to stand down even when someone suggests I look like a misogynist just for criticising one woman, a woman who gets criticised every day on GTV&M.

As a side note, perhaps you can remember the QS&F thread where I went after the people talking about putting pictures of you and IHR and the like in their personal "spank bank". Everyone forgets that one when they pick on the fact that I don't like the over-sexualisation and increasingly NSFW nature of the picture thread.



This thread was about women from the first post. Babaganoosh and Alaedhros certainly steered it that way if it wasn't.

You're putting words in people's mouths. You're acting like you *want* them to think in misandrist ways, because it will prove the point you always seem to want to make.

In this case, as I have already explained to Ria, I was asking her a question. What did she expect the two posters to do ? Would you suggest that they take advantage of their friends when they are drunk ? That was my point.

In the UK, having sex with someone who is not sober enough to give adequate consent is treated as something not too far away from rape.

It could be inferred that she was suggesting that they, and by extension men in general, should be sexually available to women on demand as much as some men would like women to be.

It's unfair to put words into the mouths of other posters. And sure, I'm not saint, but I try to police myself as best I can. Gloria did *not* deserve to get jumped on, because you have a beef with women calling out behaviors that happen to be associated with something a man is doing. Especially not in a joke thread.

Again, I did not jump on her. I already explained to her that I was not angry with her and I was just asking a question.

Anyway, it's late here and I'm going to bed. I'll apologise again to anyone who thinks I was angry with them or was attacking them.

Thanks for your response, Hermiod. I think it was very reasonable, and I'm going to think about the things you said. I really want this constant gender stereotype war to be unsurfaced and talked about, too, and I certainly don't think it's unreasonable to call out the stereotypes when you see them. I think it's just more constructive not to focus on perceived privilege when attempting to secure more civil rights for the perceived non-privileged group - it usually doesn't advance the conversation that much, in my personal experience in civil rights activism. It usually just pisses a whole lot of people off that do not embody the stereotypes of the privileged group

 

[Holdfast]

If it makes it any better, I'm grabbing my own junk while posting.

It doesn't make it better.

It makes it harder.

Um...

Did someone slip you a smarmy little blue pill or something? Or is our little Holdy a little tipsy tonight>

^I think bro spiked his eggnog....

We should rename it from Christmas to Eggnog Season.

 

[Elmo Dukat]

If it makes it any better, I'm grabbing my own junk while posting.

It doesn't make it better.

It makes it harder.

Um...

Did someone slip you a smarmy little blue pill or something? Or is our little Holdy a little tipsy tonight>

Where does one get these blue pills? I demand to know!!

 

[blablover5]

It doesn't make it better.

It makes it harder.

Um...

Did someone slip you a smarmy little blue pill or something? Or is our little Holdy a little tipsy tonight>

Where does one get these blue pills? I demand to know!!

I have a sneaking suspicion they hand them out as soon as someone agrees to be a mod. You may want to check SPOCKED's medicine cabinet.

 

[Trekker4747]

Well, this thread didn't go where I was expecting!

For what it is worth, girls can grab and grope me however they see fit. I don't mind.

 

[Jono]

Wow, didn't expect what I wrote to send the thread in the direction it went

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Last night, my junk grabbed a stranger.

Your junk sounds vaguely Lovecraftian.

I think I've read some of those:

In the Junk of Madness
The Junk Over Innsmouth
The Dunwich Junk
The Junk Out Of Space

and, of course:

The Junk of Cthulhu

 

[DanCPA]

If it makes it any better, I'm grabbing my own junk while posting.

Makes me feel great...
I am happy that I am hundreds of miles away from that

 

[Capn Flukie]

There once was a guy in a Five Guys and...

...he had junk in all their trunks.

*puts away the vodka*

 

[T'Baio]

My junk just grabbed me!

T'Baio...he don't notify the mod, the mod notifies him.

 

[tharpdevenport]

T'Baio...he don't notify the mod, the mod notifies him.

 

[Captain Intrepid]

Wth all due respect, how do you know? Maybe you should try next time. I think the mods in Misc are more than reasonable (and though I'm biased a bit, I try to be objective about this ). Even if it's not actionable, many mods are open to conversation via PM about these sorts of problems.

Repeated personal experience and seeing how other people attempting to use the moderation system on this board has shown me that it is not worth the effort.

All of those threads get jumped on. They turn in to pages and pages of people taking the piss out of the person who started them.



You jump to that word far too easily, I can easily counter that your repeated use of it makes you look like a misandrist. I know that's not true, but it's funny how things can make you look.

It's funny how suggesting that an all-male moderating staff means they're letting anti-female sentiment slide, especially when they're just following rules set down by a woman, can make you look too.



And I am not going to stand down when I see this, as in this very kind of thread, coming up again and again. I'm not going to stand down even when someone suggests I look like a misogynist just for criticising one woman, a woman who gets criticised every day on GTV&M.

As a side note, perhaps you can remember the QS&F thread where I went after the people talking about putting pictures of you and IHR and the like in their personal "spank bank". Everyone forgets that one when they pick on the fact that I don't like the over-sexualisation and increasingly NSFW nature of the picture thread.



This thread was about women from the first post. Babaganoosh and Alaedhros certainly steered it that way if it wasn't.

In this case, as I have already explained to Ria, I was asking her a question. What did she expect the two posters to do ? Would you suggest that they take advantage of their friends when they are drunk ? That was my point.

In the UK, having sex with someone who is not sober enough to give adequate consent is treated as something not too far away from rape.

It could be inferred that she was suggesting that they, and by extension men in general, should be sexually available to women on demand as much as some men would like women to be.

It's unfair to put words into the mouths of other posters. And sure, I'm not saint, but I try to police myself as best I can. Gloria did *not* deserve to get jumped on, because you have a beef with women calling out behaviors that happen to be associated with something a man is doing. Especially not in a joke thread.

Again, I did not jump on her. I already explained to her that I was not angry with her and I was just asking a question.

Anyway, it's late here and I'm going to bed. I'll apologise again to anyone who thinks I was angry with them or was attacking them.

Thanks for your response, Hermiod. I think it was very reasonable, and I'm going to think about the things you said. I really want this constant gender stereotype war to be unsurfaced and talked about, too, and I certainly don't think it's unreasonable to call out the stereotypes when you see them. I think it's just more constructive not to focus on perceived privilege when attempting to secure more civil rights for the perceived non-privileged group - it usually doesn't advance the conversation that much, in my personal experience in civil rights activism. It usually just pisses a whole lot of people off that do not embody the stereotypes of the privileged group

I think there comes a point in the battle for civil rights, when public opinion is largely with the previously oppressed, and the laws are equal, (or as usual, biased towards the former oppressed) that in many cases launching on a self righteous crusade against an perceived slight is far more harmful to the formerly oppressed than not.

 

[RevdKathy]

Now I'm confused.

See, there is misogyny on this board, plenty of it. And I'm sure my co-mods would back me saying that I'm usually pretty quick to spot it. But I can't actually find much in this thread.

'Scrooge' posted what I think was meant as a joke thread topic about an accident. People responded in three ways: by tangenting off the joke into a mildly amusing chat about the quality of the fast food involved, by making mildly smutty remarks about being touched up (with a hint of misandry in the suggestion that he should have enjoyed it and shut up, and a touch of trolling in the assumption that this is the most physical intimacy he's ever had) and a serious conversation about deliberate unwanted sexual contact and how unpleasant it is.

It's that last which seems to have sparked the row (whereas the jokes were more sexist!) because one male poster dared to suggest that receiving unwanted sexual contact from a drunken female friend was unpleasant. (The suggestion that he should take advantage of her drunken state again seemed to me to be the more 'offensive' comment - that would indeed be close to rape in the UK). Receiving unwanted sexual contact from anyone is unpleasant regardless of your anatomical or sexual persuasion. even when it's some demented patient (yeah, Holdie, been there, got the T-shirt!) Does it happen for more to women than men? Sure it does. But that doesn't mean that it never happens to men. Like male rape and domestic violence, it's not something society cares to discuss much. But it does happen. And largely men are expected to 'put up with it' in some fake-manly' way.

For Crimbo's sake, lighten up people? Misogyny? heck go watch Benny Hill and a few 'carry on' films, and then come back and tell us about misogyny!

Holdie... it's the blue pills that are making it hard. Try a good SSRI - that'll fix it.

and Hermy... 6'4"? That settles it - further to the debate in the other thread - I'm going to be on top.

 

[blaXXer]

I'm grabbing my junk right now, while drunk, so I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

 

[ITL]

Drunkl Junkl - the new paradigm!

 

[RJDiogenes]

Sigh....

Okay, before anybody else Posts in this Thread, you all have to learn the difference between "misogyny," "chauvinism," "sexuality," and "Political Correctness." And you have to pass the test.

Every day, I see a hundred things written here that I don't like; that doesn't mean they're actionable. I don't see what basis there is for intervening in that situation. Would you have been equally upset if someone expressed a desire to kick Tom Cruise in the nads to prevent him from reproducing?

I am not speaking of "liking". The actionable basis is the threat of violence. I believe expressing a desire of wanting to cause physical harm to any sex, in a sexual sense, is completely unacceptable. I would expect at least an easy-going friendly in both instances.

First of all, I hardly think it was meant as a threat. Second of all, it was an expression of dislike against a single person, not half the Human race. Third of all, Britney is not a member of the Board. Thank goodness.

...not to mention the potential problems giving free rein to a violent-minded thread might cause. I don't imagine Cruise or Hilton's agent would be gratified to read that sort of thing, and would be within their rights to ask for it to be closed, potentially under threat of legal action.

Again, I don't recall any formal planning to send out a lynch mob to visit any particular celebrity. Even an old-fashioned Flower Child like me often says, "I'd like punch so-and-so in the nose."

I would reasonably assume even in the States, that there might be laws against expressing physical violence against a named person, especially in public, and in writing.

Only because there are far too many lawyers. I'd say that I agree with Shakespeare on that topic, but it might be construed as a threat.

I would prefer not to have to resort to listing all those reasons for being against a woman being "punched in the vagina". Women are still the ones who carry babies for 9 months in their womb, and produce children through hours of labour, out of their own genitalia, and it is for this reason that wanting to punch a woman in the vagina is more distasteful than wanting to punch a man on his "nads". Both are still and without a doubt, horrible, however.

Everybody is entitled to their opinion. My opinion is that considering sexual violence against women to be worse than sexual violence against men is chauvinistic. That's the way it goes.

As far as I can tell or remember, there was nothing misogynistic about the Post that you're talking about. Making an unpleasant remark about one woman is not the same as making an unpleasant remark about all women. Also, neither misogyny nor chauvinism are necessarily actionable, depending upon circumstances and context. People are entitled to their regressive beliefs and opinions. Believe me, misogyny is one of the things that I am most sensitive to (and I've had to deal with it here within just the last couple of days); there's a reason I spent twenty two years working in Women's Health. I recently got into an argument with a female member of this Board because she refers to women who like to show off their sexuality as "sluts," which is far more misogynistic than a violent dislike of Britney Spears. But her remarks are not actionable under Board Rules and, personally, I respect her Right to voice her opinion no matter how much it offends me.

As far as responding to your Notification, it's generally not customary to respond personally whether or not any action is taken. We get plenty of NMs and not all of them are actionable. However, you, and everybody else, is always free to send me a PM and I always respond to PMs (at least the first few ) and I will always take your concerns seriously.

 

[Skywalker]

There's a test? Dammit.

Oops, I posted in here before taking it.