It never seemed to sit right with me. I think Harry should have been the one the script writers chose...
Paris never should have taken over from Kes in Sickbay...
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I just thought it was odd that out of the entire crew Paris was the best qualified and no one else could have done it.
That means that anyone from either crew with those skills must have been killed, there were numerous science personel on Voyager for example. Did no one except for their best pilot have any know how which could have let them play nurse?
That means that anyone from either crew with those skills must have been killed, there were numerous science personel on Voyager for example. Did no one except for their best pilot have any know how which could have let them play nurse?
I would have just kept Kes in the first place.
Paris did great as a medic after taking over Kes's spot. He was the best one to be used. He already did some medic help before Kes left if I'm correct.
Harry as a medic? He wouldn't last long lol
Harry as a medic? He wouldn't last long lol
It's all about openning up new ideas for future stories.
Putting Tom as a nurse in sickbay gives his character more interaction with the Doc & other characters as well as opening up new ideas down the road. Why give the job to crewman nobody, when you could give it to a character we were already knew from the main cast. We saw what having one and only one job as a nurse did for Kes, it wrote her into a dead end. They needed a character with a wit like Tom to keeo up with the Doctors sarcasm.
But Kes was the quintessential nurse!
I think Tom and the Dr are a funny couple, the Dr I think enjoys working with Tom as well!
I think Tom and the Dr are a funny couple, the Dr I think enjoys working with Tom as well!
Personally I thought that both Tom and the Doc were great together..their personalities sometimes clashed but that was what made it interesting. And I don't think Harry would have made a good nurse..Tuvok would have made a better nurse than him!! No offense to the Harry lovers out there. But there's no reason to cry over spilled milk.
Good looking and subservient?
I guess that's why too me Kes didn't seem to fit Voyager. Janeway & Be'Lanna(and Seven) didn't need a man to validate them. They were independant and self reliant. Kes couldn't seem to function unless she was attached to a man or looking up to one to give her purpose.
And don;t under estimate Kes. She did quite a bit of exploring on her homeworld alone; took on her 'leaders' and challenged them to find the truth of the care taker; survived a nasty Kazon leader who beat her when he was drunk; and tapped into her races mental abilities which had been dormant for generations.
I would say Kes is quite able to function without any telling her what to do. Just because she loves the Dr for his brains and Neelix for his heart doesn't mean she is weak.
Yes! Kes should have stayed in the show.
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I think that you are wrong here. If anyone was independent on that ship, then it was Kes. She did show in many situations that she could take her own decisions and go her own way without any man telling her what to do. She was definitely more independent than B'Elanna who did seem to hide her uncertainity under that "angry Klingon" mask.
As for Paris as the nurse, I never understood why they did choose him. He didn't like the job in the first place and had problems to relate to The Doctor as well. Besides that, he was the pilot and was probably better needed at the conn, especially in difficult situations.
I like Tom, he's the kind of buddy I could hang out with in some bar or so but I don't think that I would like to have him as nurse if I was seriously wounded or ill.
i guess that was one good thing about "Fury." Providing Kes was somehow able to return to Ocampa, she would be a good leader in teaching her people the forgotten ways of pWnz0ring people with your brain
She tapped into her mental power because two men(Tuvok & Tannis) encouraged her too. She admitted her exploring made her reckless and got her into trouble and with the Kazon it nearly got her dead.
Sure she challenged her leaders and they never paid her any mind. Speaking out against the one that cared for them like a God was equal to how many felt about Sinead O'Conner ripping up a photo of the Pope.
Sorry, I just don't see Kes as an example of the progressive modern woman image that Voyager was putting forth.
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Except for the fact that the real Kes never had any intention to return to Ocampa. She wanted to explore space with the Voyager crew.
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Tuvok was just her guide. The decision was her own since she was interested in exploring the lost powers of her ancestors. A brave and independent desicion.
OK, she was fooled by Tanis but so what? She did have the willpower to break loose from his control and she saved the ship at the same time. And her exploring didn't get her into more trouble than janeway's exploring of nebulas, wormholes and space anomalies did. Explorers must take risks.
I think that Kes was a very good example of the progressive modern woman image that Voyager was putting forth. She wasn't an "action character" in the same way as Janeway, Torres and maybe Seven but she used her wit and strong willpower to get things the way she wanted.
I don't agree, it was clear by the events in "The Gift" & "Fury" that being on Voyager ruined her life because she didn't have the understanding to avoid things that would do her harm. Once again as she said: her curious nature would get her into trouble. She missed oppertunities of having a normal life and any chance at ever having a family of her own because she allowed herself to follow behind others that knew nothing of her or her kind. Her own people warned her not to leave Ocampia and look what became of her.
I personally believe that she has evolved into something beyond the current Ocampans.
It's clear though that people look at her in different ways. I look at her like an early version of a Janeway. She wanted to be different, knew there was more in life than waiting for the caretakers energy and staring at a large screen, etc. Did curiosity kill the cat? Perhaps. But it doesn't mean she always needed a man to help. Infact, her father consistently told her not to ask so many questions; but she is an explorer, and that is what they do.
Man... why HARRY? Is it because the writers made him out to be the asexual, harmless, genius know-it-all token Asian guy? Or is it also because he's the bitch of the ship?
I'm glad Paris was the nurse.
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