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Does Anyone Else Want to Protest Marco's Dismissal?

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I don't know Marco Palmieri. I've never met him. I've never had any conversations with him. I'm sure I've asked him a question once and a while on these forums. I've read his posts, of course. I've got no connection to him other than my impressions and feelings of what he's done for all of us who enjoy Star Trek literature, whether we be writers or readers.

That said, I feel deeply saddened and fairly well outraged at his unceremonious and undeserved dismissal from his position of Senior Editor at Pocket Books via Simon and Schuster. That said, I'm one reader. Nothing I say or do on my own will amount to a hill of beans. In all honesty, I am doubtful that anything done even by all of us here who read these books will amount to much, either.

S&S is a multi-national, multi-billion dollar corporation. This is an economic down-turn the likes of which our economy, nationally of globally, has not seen in decades. Decisions are driven by the almighty dollar, now more than ever. Our collective sadness and outrage may well do not one thing to change that. Yet I feel compelled to try, compelled to at least stand up and say, "I'm not happy about this, I think this was a foolish decision done without proper consideration of the circumstances, and I may well put my money where my mouth is out of that belief and refuse to purchase any product in any way associated with Simon and Schuster as a result of that."

Am I alone in this?

I know that our author friends here, though they may well feel as passionate - likely, much more passionate - are likely unable to express that. This economy is not the kind in which you risk biting the hand that feeds you. That's not a knock on them, it's a fact of reality and life. I don't want to see any of our author friends penalized or at risk for supporting our discontent with Marco's dismissal. They need to remain outside the fray, in order to continue their work, and Marco's, without interuption and distraction. This has to be about the readers, now. To the bean counters, as KRAD coined, I think this has to be about the consumer. Our author friends need to be Switzerland right now, for a multitude of reasons. We readers, our responsibility, if I'm not alone in my feelings here, is to stand up for what we want and believe.

Right now, I'm not sure what I think we should do to show our discontent. Right now, I want to know if my discontent is so shared. I'm not out to start some sort of grass-roots movement here. I'm also not out to see our Star Trek authors suffer by saying "don't buy Trek books" as... that would just be plain stupid of me and us. As a larger company, though, Simon and Schuster have other more vulnerable corporate extremeties we may be able to boycott in a show of our feelings. We're not quite at that juncture, yet. Right now, we're at the "do we care enough to do anything?" stage.

If the answer to that question is yes, then the first thing I'd think we should do is say so. Perhaps we'll call in to S&S corporate offices and voice our discontent. Perhaps we'll try to rally some sort of mail campaign. Marco's name is Palmieri - perhaps we can send S&S some palm fronds accompanied by letters, like the Jericho campaign sent peanuts to CBS. I don't know yet. Right now, we need to say whether or not we want to do anything or not. Figuring out what comes next will be the next step.

So... what say we all?
 
I don't think there's anything to be done. Marco's been with them a long time, and by all accounts, his stuff as been successful; his being laid off was obviously not an indictment of him or his work, but rather a matter of economic necessity: S&S obviously came to the conclusion that they simply could not stay in business with those 35 people staying in their employ.
 
If S&S has to make savings to satisfy shareholders, but happen agree to your campaign, then they'd probably have to oust a different senior editor (or two lesser ones, or a few proofreaders?) to balance the books. Or they'll make savings elsewhere, like printing offshore, or halving the lengths of manuscripts but charging the same per volume, etc.
 
Well... I don't think there is anything to be done. But if quality begins to suffer I'll just go to my extremely large pile of 'to be read', plus the large back catalog of ST books I haven't bought yet (through the used market).

Sometimes the way to stay afloat is not to drastically slash staff. You'll need those people when the economy turns upward (and it will).
 
A boycott would not be a productive response. It would just hurt more employees of the company. It's like embargoing a nation to try to get it to change its policies -- all you do is end up starving the ordinary people while the elites hoard the remaining wealth and goods.

I think the best thing to do would be to write letters expressing your feelings -- so long as you do it in a respectful, positive way, talking about Marco's strengths and value rather than trashing them for their decision. I don't think it would change anything, but it would be a way of showing your support.

And Therin's right -- the only way to hire Marco back full-time would be to let one or two other people go instead, and I don't think he'd want that.
 
I may well put my money where my mouth is out of that belief and refuse to purchase any product in any way associated with Simon and Schuster as a result of that."

That'd be a good way to spread the misery and damage to the range by fucking the rest of us who Marco built up, and thus totally trashing his legacy.

So, anybody else?

Now, if you were to, for example, write letters of support for his influence on the line, to help keep it the way you like it, that's fine. If you want to buy whatever books he ends up producing at some other company - and I can't see someone with his CV not getting such a position relatively quickly - then that's cool too, cos that's what I'll be doing.
 
A boycott would not be a productive response. It would just hurt more employees of the company. It's like embargoing a nation to try to get it to change its policies -- all you do is end up starving the ordinary people while the elites hoard the remaining wealth and goods.

Not to go off-topic but it worked for South Africa. Though it was much less effective in Iraq and Cuba.

Sorry to hear of Marco's dismissal. I only 'know' him through these boards, but he seemed like a nice, patient, hard-working and conscientious man. I would have thought he was an asset to any company. I hope he finds employment in another publishing company.
 
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Not to go off-topic but it worked for South Africa. Though it was much less effective in Iraq and Cuba.

Nor Zimbabwe

As for the original question, I must admit I'm in two minds over this, times are lean and companies are having to take drastic action, I would assume (but according to Gibbs, you should never assume) that the decision was not an easy one to come too and it would be safe to assume that a pretty good redundancy package was thrashed out before he was let go, but as Marco has not come on here to say anything, thats what they are assumptions, for all we know though, he may very well be retained on a freelance editorship basis as it would be (and again I'm assuming) cheaper to have him freelance his existing lines (Titan, Vanguard etc) and not be a commissioning editor. So, I would rather that SS took these actions to maintain it's many publications instead of not and then going to the wall and see SS disected and sold into lesser hands, or just going under and game over!

So yes it sucks that Marco has been fired, but it would suck even more if SS went under and Star Trek as well as all their other lines ceased to exist.

As for bouycotting anything published by SS, that is a hyperboilic and irrational desicion that would do far more harm and result in game over than continueing on and buying the books.
 
While I am really upset about this, I really don't see where anything can be done, other than writing in like the other people on here have said. The one thing I will definitely not do is boycott the company, for two reasons, 1) I don't want to hurt anyone else, and 2) there are still alot of really talented people working on the books. As for writing in myself, right now I'm really not sure if I want to do that, but if someone were to put together some kind of a petition or group email I would definitely take part in that.
 
It will be weird for me, as someone who only has been "really" into Trek Lit for the last decade or so to not have Palmieri as an editor. But we can't forget that he has influenced the schedule for 2009- so we'd be missing chances to buy the last things he's touched if we boycotted in 2009, and I'm sure he'll find work, given his talent and experience, and possibly have something even better by then. Hopefully he'll let us know.

I don't want anyone else to suffer either, as KRAD put it in another thread, S&S seem to be losing a lot of money, and we can't risk them doing anything drastic. The people who've worked with Marco for all these years I'm sure learned from him even while maintaining their own vivid imaginations and creativity...

I guess some polite emails- when the economy goes back up, they may want him back,esp. if they know we appreciated him...

I'll stop, I'm rambling... lol
 
And Therin's right -- the only way to hire Marco back full-time would be to let one or two other people go instead, and I don't think he'd want that.
Well, it depends. I'm sure he's got at least one (former) coworker he doesn't like very much... :evil:
 
The problem with the notion of a boycott, as stated, is that it protests the firing of somebody due to a poor economic situation by making the economic situation worse. That doesn't really help anyone.

Also, given that I write things other than Trek for S&S, I really don't like the idea. :D
 
I think we're of like mind on this. S&S is still publishing Damn Good Books on a lot of fronts(including Trek books), and we want them to keep doing that and more of it. This is a mess that we can't hold against Marco and Margaret's bosses. It's a layoff, not a firing for cause.

I'll simply put forward my statement of hope that we can get to a place where, if Marco's still available and interested, he can be rehired ASAP. The sooner the better.
 
sack a couple of the board members with their fat salaries and huge pensions and reinstate the working stiffs. if the company's failing, it's the fault of those running the company. logical, yes? :vulcan:
 
sack a couple of the board members with their fat salaries and huge pensions and reinstate the working stiffs. if the company's failing, it's the fault of those running the company. logical, yes? :vulcan:

Ah, but it never works like that in reality. :klingon:

That having been said, boycotting the hard work that goes into the Trek line that he worked hard to make what it is today would only end up hurting the wrong people. No way would it get Marco his job back, it'd just show S&S that the Trek really wasn't that strong and they were right to cut there. Clearly when economic times got hard, people stopped buying Trek books. I'll keep on buying the Trek books unless the quality tanks with Marco's departure... which with KRAD, Margaret Clark, and all the EXCELLENT authors, I can't see how it could. Still, his influence will be missed when it's potency finally tapers off with time.
 
Ok, so, the boycott threat is out as an option.

What about the rest, though?

What about letters? Phone calls? Maybe the palm frond idea?

None of them would hurt S&S or anyone else who works for them. But it might make them re-think things. If not now, than certainly down the line when times are better.
 
sack a couple of the board members with their fat salaries and huge pensions and reinstate the working stiffs. if the company's failing, it's the fault of those running the company. logical, yes? :vulcan:

The problem being that the people doing the firing *are* presumably the ones with the fat salaries etc, and they're unlikely to fire themselves...
 
Ok, so, the boycott threat is out as an option.

What about the rest, though?

What about letters? Phone calls? Maybe the palm frond idea?

None of them would hurt S&S or anyone else who works for them. But it might make them re-think things. If not now, than certainly down the line when times are better.

As others have said, your best bet is to write a polite letter to S&S expressing your admiration for Marco's work, your disappointment in his being laid off, and your hope that he may return at some point.
 
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