changes in the worm hole

[warp 9]

in the beginning, when anyone stepped though the stargate they came out flying and frozen. after the first few episodes this changed without explanation. i know it complicates the mission when you emerge a popsicle missle, but you would think Carter would have a very detailed reason to expain the change. hummmm!

 

[John Clark]

I think one of the novels mentioned something about the Earth Stargate not properly aligning with other gates at first (because of no DHD). Carter fiddled with the program and got it fixed?

I just can't remember which novel it was now

 

[Hermiod]

She did explain it, it's because their co-ordinates for Abydos were ever so slightly off. With Abydos being the closest planet with a Stargate to Earth, the effects of stellar drift were not enough to prevent them from getting a narrow lock.

She wrote a programme to correct for stellar drift which she then fed the Stargate addresses from the Abydos cartouche, giving them their initial list of planets to visit. This had the additional effect of removing the freezing problem.

 

[Harvey]

The freezing thing is explained. There's a fix that Carter implements. In the episode "Red Sky," the fix fails, and they come out frozen and hurled out of the gate.

Doesn't explain the different graphics for the Stargate wormhole over the years, though.

 

[that1guy]

The freezing thing is explained. There's a fix that Carter implements. In the episode "Red Sky," the fix fails, and they come out frozen and hurled out of the gate.

Doesn't explain the different graphics for the Stargate wormhole over the years, though.

They actually explain that in the bonus features in one of the seasons. I forget which. Basically when Sci-Fi took over Stargate they decided to update the wormhole graphic with something a little better. If I'm not mistaken, originally it was just a softball dropped into a bucket of water with several cameras angled around it and then it was just composited in. The Sci-Fi animation is completely digital.

Also, there were a couple other changes throughout the show as well. For example, in the very first scene in the first episode, a group of Jafaa come in through the Stargate, shoot up some Air Force dudes playing Poker and then (with the Stargate never shutting off the entire scene) walk back through the Stargate. But then later in season 1 they explain how you can't go back and forth between the gate, it's own one way with the notable exception of radio waves and various forms of radiation and sub-atomic particles. Fascinating!

 

[Brent]

^ that has been explained by using a remote dialing device, we know they exist, Apophis may have had one

 

[Hermiod]

^He did, IIRC he activates a device on his wrist.

There were all sorts of changes between the movie and the show. Abydos went from being in another galaxy to being the closest planet with a Stargate to Earth, O'Neill gained an 'l' in his name and underwent a radical personality transplant etc.

They've always been pretty firm on matter not being able to travel back through an open wormhole, it's proven to be a useful dramatic device.

 

[Harvey]

The freezing thing is explained. There's a fix that Carter implements. In the episode "Red Sky," the fix fails, and they come out frozen and hurled out of the gate.

Doesn't explain the different graphics for the Stargate wormhole over the years, though.

They actually explain that in the bonus features in one of the seasons. I forget which. Basically when Sci-Fi took over Stargate they decided to update the wormhole graphic with something a little better. If I'm not mistaken, originally it was just a softball dropped into a bucket of water with several cameras angled around it and then it was just composited in. The Sci-Fi animation is completely digital.

I'm talking about the change between seasons 1-8 and season 9--Sci-Fi took over the show in season six. Did they really wait three seasons to make this change? The season 9 wormhole is little more than the Atlantis wormhole colored blue. I always liked the original (from the film, I believe) graphics more.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

The freezing thing is explained. There's a fix that Carter implements. In the episode "Red Sky," the fix fails, and they come out frozen and hurled out of the gate.

Doesn't explain the different graphics for the Stargate wormhole over the years, though.

They actually explain that in the bonus features in one of the seasons. I forget which. Basically when Sci-Fi took over Stargate they decided to update the wormhole graphic with something a little better. If I'm not mistaken, originally it was just a softball dropped into a bucket of water with several cameras angled around it and then it was just composited in. The Sci-Fi animation is completely digital.

I'm talking about the change between seasons 1-8 and season 9--Sci-Fi took over the show in season six. Did they really wait three seasons to make this change? The season 9 wormhole is little more than the Atlantis wormhole colored blue. I always liked the original (from the film, I believe) graphics more.

I think that was them trying to save money by using the same effects on SG-1 and SGA. I also think that thats the reason the Prometheus was destroyed so that they could use the Daedalus cgi model for both shows and save money.

 

[Hermiod]

^The reason they started using the Atlantis wormhole effect is simple. The Atlantis one was rendered for HD, the original one wasn't. This is on the commentary for "Lockdown".

 

[Harvey]

Ah, fair enough. Although, I thought the original effect was taken from the original film, which was released in 35mm, so I'm still confused.

 

[David cgc]

It's possible that when they transferred it for the show, they only did it in TV resolution. Eight years later, it probably wasn't worth the trouble to remaster it, especially since they now had a perfectly good wormhole effect that was actually created in this century. The original was getting pretty long in the tooth, no matter how many bloom filters they put on it to sweeten it up a little. No motion blur, and those hideous flat white circles that were supposed to be a starry sky.

 

[Harvey]

^^
I still prefer the original effect myself (and enjoyed seeing Ark of Truth spend a little extra to combine the styles of both the old and new wormhole effects), but that makes more sense.

 

[Kaziarl]

I actually just saw Stargate recently. The original movie I mean. I noticed a problem with their facts too. They said Abados was on the other side of the known universe. Yet during the show we find out that we need monumental amounts of power to go to the nearest galaxy. The first time was to the Asgard homeworld using a Naquada generator, then to the pegasus galaxy with a ZPM. The trip to the Ori used a super gate, which I'm not even sure what power source they used.

 

[Hermiod]

^The location of Abydos (in the "Kalian galaxy") is one of a number of things that were changed when Stargate became a television series. Abydos is the closest planet with a Stargate to Earth in Stargate SG-1, which is the reason why the gate address for it written on the cover stone still worked.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

^The location of Abydos (in the "Kalian galaxy") is one of a number of things that were changed when Stargate became a television series. Abydos is the closest planet with a Stargate to Earth in Stargate SG-1, which is the reason why the gate address for it written on the cover stone still worked.

Actually it was ONE of the closest planets, the other one that was mentioned on air was "Earnst's Planet" in "Torment of Tantalus". Another one mentioned in other sources that was viable prior to the realease of "Continuum" was the planet that the Germans found when THEY were experimenting with the gate in the 30s and early 40s.

 

[Hermiod]

^Abydos is most likely to be the closest since it was the destination of the test flight of the X-302 in "Redemption, Part One".

 

[David cgc]

Well, not necessarily. The other two could be closer, though they'd still be unsuitable. Ernest's Planet's stargate was buried when the building was destroyed in the storm, and the apocryphal Nazi Planet is both apocryphal and, even if it wasn't, full of Nazis.

 

[Hermiod]

Where did this idea that the planet Ernest found is close to Earth come from ?

That successful dial out appears to have been the result of random dialling - luck. That does not suggest it is close to Earth.

As for the "Nazi planet", we had enough of that in TOS and Enterprise.

 

[David cgc]

Carter said so.

From "The Torment of Tantalus
CARTER: It seems the planet in question is close to Abydos, so it uses many of the same points in space locators. Which explains why the team in 45 could conceivably dial in with out compensating for planetary shift.