I originally gave it a Above Average. But after digesting it a bit, I should have given it an Average. It was still better than the last three weeks or so. It's a step in the right direction. Does anyone but me notice that, in this episode, the Hatian bore a resemblence to Seal without the dermatology issues?
HEROES 3x11 "The Eclipse, Part 2" Discuss and Grade
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Maybe Ali Larter will play Elle's younger sister with thunder powers?
Younger?
Yeah, that seemed like a very LOOOOONNNNNGGG eclipse to me. Eclipses usually last much less than an hour, don't they? This one was long enough for Sylar and Elle to leave Pinehurst (East Coast somewhere, right?), go to what's-his-name's house (isn't that in California), fight with Noah, shoot Claire (then Claire gets taken home, goes to the hospital and dies), make love, get shot by Noah, run away, and fight with Noah again. That seems like a pretty full day to me, certainlly more than an hour.
Whle we are on the subject of eclipses, what happens to the supers during a lunar eclipse? Do they ge more powerful? Or stop acting stupid?
That's it. I give up. I was on the fence about continuing to watch last week, but this episode just pushed me over the edge. It's such a disappointment how much they've ended up squandering the excellence and goodwill from season 1.
Why is Sylar suddenly evil again?
Why'd he kill Elle, when he already had her power?
Whatever happened to disembodied Linderman?
Did we really need another posthumous Isaac Mendez connection? The guy is a regular L. Ron Hubbard.
Seth Green what are you doing?
Why'd he kill Elle, when he already had her power?
Whatever happened to disembodied Linderman?
Did we really need another posthumous Isaac Mendez connection? The guy is a regular L. Ron Hubbard.
Seth Green what are you doing?
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Maybe the writers found him easier to write that way, or it was a decree from the producers.
Because he's just plain EEEEEVIL, or maybe HRG succeeded at sowing the seeds of suspicion and doubt.
He was a mental image projected by Maury Parkman, who was killed by Arthur Patrelli.
It probably sounded like a fun idea when all he had to go on was "Hey, wanna do a brief appearance on Heroes?". Maybe he was already committed to it by the time he actually saw the script and started filming.
I must demur---the characters on Heroes are not going through these radical personality changes to service the plot. They are going through these radical personality changes because the "plot" is about how they get all emo. It's true that in the end the characters tend to get reset---Sylar is Eeeeeeeeevil/craaaaaazy again, Peter is poor downtrodden good hearted wannabe hero (instead of the guy who could defeat everyone if he wasn't so dumb,) Claire is feeling all vulnerable about Daddy, Bennet is charging around saving his daughter (and the plot neglects to notice she doesn't need saving!
) etc. etc.
The show can't be fixed I suppose. They are too fixated on Emo Boy, SuperVirgin and Comic Hiro (and Ali Larter's assets,) that the potentially interesting characters like Angela, Nathan, Matt wll never take up the dramatic slack.
) etc. etc. The show can't be fixed I suppose. They are too fixated on Emo Boy, SuperVirgin and Comic Hiro (and Ali Larter's assets,) that the potentially interesting characters like Angela, Nathan, Matt wll never take up the dramatic slack.
Hmmm... I somehow forgot to watch this last night. I guess I'll have to download it.
My question really is: Why didn't all those people who were contacted by "Linderman" notice his disappearance? They didn't know they were being tricked by Maury...
am I the only one who found the comic shop scenes a really hamfisted & lame attempt at pleasing fanboy types?
One wonders what Jeph Loeb's role is behind the scenes, because he is a much better comic book writer than what we're getting on the screen...
His job probably consists of listening to producers condescendingly explain to him that mirroring the comic book style of storytelling too closely will make the material inaccessible to the more "mainstream," non-geek viewer and sabotage the ratings.
Her power also makes her grow old?Maybe Ali Larter will play Elle's younger sister with thunder powers?
Younger?
Below Average; I still enjoy the characters too much to ever give this show a Poor but blech, this Volume is shaping up to be an utter disaster. 
Now they're dragging Nathan into this mess! He's always been characterized as stable, sensible and not prone to idiotic schemes, yet he thinks that giving people powers is a good idea? Like Mohinder, he's had ample reason to see that powers result in catastrophe, so I guess he's been given the same lobotomy Mo got.
The writers are spinning their wheels with poor Sylar. They can't retract the idea that he's a Petrelli because it makes no sense that Arthur would play along with Angela's lie, when he could have turned Sylar against Angela so easily by telling him it was a lie, instead of trying to compete for his loyalties with "Mom." Sylar would have been infuriated at being tricked and sided with Arthur out of revenge, a far more reliable thing to expect from the guy, given his vicious behavior, than filial devotion. Of course I'm expecting this show to actually worry about logic, silly me.
I don't think the writers have decided about Sylar - the whole thing smacks of them keeping their options open - but for him to be a Petrelli still strikes me as more interesting than the alternative, unless there's more to the watchmaker story than they've let on. And I did notice that Noah lied about him and Elle "creating" Sylar. Sylar himself should realize that his psychosis flips on and off like a light switch as his powers come and go, which rules out anything but the powers themselves as the source of the psychosis.
And for his powers to return and for him to automatically go back to being a psycho just makes the guy a puppet. He still has the ability to suppress the hunger even when his powers are present, because we've seen his future self do just that. A character who controls his destiny is far more interesting than a helpless puppet.
The way Sylar's character logic has been established, being a simplistic psycho guarantees that he'll be boring because we know that's just the powers acting, and nothing to do with the character himself. Any other character on this show with those powers would act just as psychotic, so what does it have to do with Gabriel at all? Nice going, writers! You just spun the guy's wheels uselessly to accomplish nothing besides making him far less interesting than he was before.
Claire's back to being a sulky bitch. Hiro's story continues to be painfully pointless. Peter at least was okay this episode and since he continues to be powerless, there's hope that at least his character arc won't be either destroyed or diverted into nonsense. He's rapidly becoming the only tolerable character on this show.
Get Bryan Fuller on this show asap, while there's still anything left to salvage. The current Idiots in Charge are going to turn it into a smoking ruin before they're through. Amazingly, the Nielsens ticked up this week - viewers are still hanging in hoping for improvement I guess.
Or, if he can't absorb the powers directly, gain Matt's trust as an ally and use his powers that way. As a politician, Nathan should know how to make allies. I'd like to see him forget wanting powers for himself and use his natural human talent to use the powers of others. This whole plotline might result in the "cool" idea of a superpowered army but it's more atrocious characterization.
Yeah like the writers even remember about that plot twist.
If they have no obvious core, then they should not be major characters on this show; minor characters can lack a core-journey as long as they are important to another character's journey. If not, boot them out of the story.
The story emerges from the characters interacting as they go on this journey. The story ends when they reach all their destinations (in the same episode? that would be a feat but that's the ideal).
Some of the actors are good, which makes it all the more painful to see how badly their talent is being wasted. Even the untalented ones deserve better than this. After all, they show up at work every day and do their best. I don't know what the hell the writers think they are doing, but if this is their best, they all need to find other professions.
If he killed Elle, hey, that might actually make sense. He never opened her brain to see her power. That whole "getting powers" without actually looking in the brain is like trying to eat a meal of grass and dirt. Not nutritious, you need the real stuff. Seeing the brain is Sylar's real stuff.
It was so painfully pointless and boring, I can hardly believe there's a person on the planet that enjoyed it.
The characters are not being sacrificed to the plot because there is no plot. But the "plot" is not about them being emo, it's just one "cool" scene or plot twist after another, strung together with the tissue paper of character motivations du jour, which change on a minute by minute basis, according to whatever will get the "writers" to the next scene or plot twist they think is cool but usually isn't and wouldn't be, even if we weren't all trying by that point to throw our TVs out the window in disgust.
Now they're dragging Nathan into this mess! He's always been characterized as stable, sensible and not prone to idiotic schemes, yet he thinks that giving people powers is a good idea? Like Mohinder, he's had ample reason to see that powers result in catastrophe, so I guess he's been given the same lobotomy Mo got.
The writers are spinning their wheels with poor Sylar. They can't retract the idea that he's a Petrelli because it makes no sense that Arthur would play along with Angela's lie, when he could have turned Sylar against Angela so easily by telling him it was a lie, instead of trying to compete for his loyalties with "Mom." Sylar would have been infuriated at being tricked and sided with Arthur out of revenge, a far more reliable thing to expect from the guy, given his vicious behavior, than filial devotion. Of course I'm expecting this show to actually worry about logic, silly me.
I don't think the writers have decided about Sylar - the whole thing smacks of them keeping their options open - but for him to be a Petrelli still strikes me as more interesting than the alternative, unless there's more to the watchmaker story than they've let on. And I did notice that Noah lied about him and Elle "creating" Sylar. Sylar himself should realize that his psychosis flips on and off like a light switch as his powers come and go, which rules out anything but the powers themselves as the source of the psychosis.
And for his powers to return and for him to automatically go back to being a psycho just makes the guy a puppet. He still has the ability to suppress the hunger even when his powers are present, because we've seen his future self do just that. A character who controls his destiny is far more interesting than a helpless puppet.
The way Sylar's character logic has been established, being a simplistic psycho guarantees that he'll be boring because we know that's just the powers acting, and nothing to do with the character himself. Any other character on this show with those powers would act just as psychotic, so what does it have to do with Gabriel at all? Nice going, writers! You just spun the guy's wheels uselessly to accomplish nothing besides making him far less interesting than he was before.
Claire's back to being a sulky bitch. Hiro's story continues to be painfully pointless. Peter at least was okay this episode and since he continues to be powerless, there's hope that at least his character arc won't be either destroyed or diverted into nonsense. He's rapidly becoming the only tolerable character on this show.
Get Bryan Fuller on this show asap, while there's still anything left to salvage. The current Idiots in Charge are going to turn it into a smoking ruin before they're through. Amazingly, the Nielsens ticked up this week - viewers are still hanging in hoping for improvement I guess.
Only if we assume his IQ has been chopped in half. A far smarter idea would be for Nathan to try to absorb more useful powers himself - such as Matt's mind and will control - and then use it to gain regular old political power and assemble an army of regular-powered human beings rather than a bunch of superpowered people who we all know will be impossible to control and go off the rails.
Or, if he can't absorb the powers directly, gain Matt's trust as an ally and use his powers that way. As a politician, Nathan should know how to make allies. I'd like to see him forget wanting powers for himself and use his natural human talent to use the powers of others. This whole plotline might result in the "cool" idea of a superpowered army but it's more atrocious characterization.
Yeah that did seem like a possibility. I hope it is, because like I said, Sylar is never going to be anything but a puppet unless he is continually at least trying to suppress the hunger. That's the only way he as a character can be present in the story now. And I'd like more Bonnie & Clyde stuff, too, it's fun.
Sylar already knows about his future self. Maybe he forgot?
More stupid characterization. Peter thinking with his heart could have gotten himself killed and the only reason he didn't is because the Haitian and Nathan's powers conveeeniently returned. Why would Nathan respect an accident nobody expected to happen (because I guess they never made the connection with the eclipse zapping their powers, otherwise they could have just hung out in the jungle till the thing passed).
You mean predictable since it was a foregone conclusion that Sylar would recover when the eclipse passed. That whole sequence was a bore.
So why doesn't Claire whine about him being evil? Instead, it's all about her, her, her. Waaa, daddy's too busy gassing mutant Jews to realize I'm the center of the universe. Gawd, I wish she'd stayed dead!
Good for Adrian Pasdar.
Dolts! They could have kept Peter being evil via the hunger while meanwhile Sylar was struggling to be good. Now that showdown might have been cool. The notion of playing with good and evil is still interesting but wow, these writers don't have the first idea how to pull it off.
And speaking of that, Peter getting the seeing power was somehow crucial to saving the planet so now that it's gone, the planet is doomed, right?
Yeah like the writers even remember about that plot twist.
The one thing I appreciate about this episode is that they didn't opt for a tired cliche like that. But now that I think about it, that might actually have made some sense compared with what they did do. Man, that's bad writing when hoary old cliches would be an improvement!
Angela and Arthur have definitely shown the willingless to use their actual sons as pawns. Angela was willing to kill Peter (temporarily); Arthur was willing to kill Nathan (permanently). For them to use Gabriel doesn't indicate he's not their son; it indicates he is. Then again, that would be an example of character consistency all out of proportion to this season, and probably far beyond the abilities of these horrible writers.
And that summarizes why this all sucks. Stories that go around in circles are frustrating and boring, even when they make logical sense, which this crap certainly does not. The writers need to find the core of the major characters and put all of them on a journey to that destination.
If they have no obvious core, then they should not be major characters on this show; minor characters can lack a core-journey as long as they are important to another character's journey. If not, boot them out of the story.
The story emerges from the characters interacting as they go on this journey. The story ends when they reach all their destinations (in the same episode? that would be a feat but that's the ideal).
Because the writing is horrible. HORRIBLE! Seriously, it reeks. Take a fiction writing course sometime and then analyze this show after you've learned the things even a beginning writer must know. It will become obvious how truly wretched the writing is.
Some of the actors are good, which makes it all the more painful to see how badly their talent is being wasted. Even the untalented ones deserve better than this. After all, they show up at work every day and do their best. I don't know what the hell the writers think they are doing, but if this is their best, they all need to find other professions.
Never say never. When Bryan Fuller takes over, he should just fucking well start from scratch. By that time, he may have to. I'd be up for a clean slate if he can just come in, declare everything that happened since S1 an illusion cast by Candace, and then start over from the first episode of S2 onwards. There will still be viewers. If they can hang onto 7.5M-8M viewers this season despite all this crap they've thrown at us, why would we bail at this point? We're just here to see how much worse it can get.
Because the hunger returned and is making him addicted to seeing powers, that's his whole motive. He's helpless to stop the hunger!
If he killed Elle, hey, that might actually make sense. He never opened her brain to see her power. That whole "getting powers" without actually looking in the brain is like trying to eat a meal of grass and dirt. Not nutritious, you need the real stuff. Seeing the brain is Sylar's real stuff.
It was so painfully pointless and boring, I can hardly believe there's a person on the planet that enjoyed it.
That's a good point.
The characters are not being sacrificed to the plot because there is no plot. But the "plot" is not about them being emo, it's just one "cool" scene or plot twist after another, strung together with the tissue paper of character motivations du jour, which change on a minute by minute basis, according to whatever will get the "writers" to the next scene or plot twist they think is cool but usually isn't and wouldn't be, even if we weren't all trying by that point to throw our TVs out the window in disgust.
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I agree entirely, and tried to argue above (somewhere) that Seth Green alone was pandering, even before we reached the painful dialogue and pointless retcons.
Come on Seth Green, who cannot love his scenes...maybe we can make him a werewolf, oh wait
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