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HEROES 3x11 "The Eclipse, Part 2" Discuss and Grade

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What the fuck are they doing with Sylar? It's like they're retconning their retcons... I swear, this puts Lost's "pulling shit out of their asses" method of storytelling to shame. Maybe they'll end the mid season by saying it was all a dream and go back to saving Claire in season 1. :p
 
Pretty poor IMO.

There really was no resolution. Eclipse, took away powers. So what? There was no consequences, no resonating affects.

By God, Claire needs to die and so does her mom. I thought I was listening to two chickens getting mauled by a wolf. My head hurt so bad.

But seriously, this was a terrible episode. Didn't feel like a 2 part episode, and probably could have sandwiched it all in one.

Waste of time and space. There was no real change in anything.
 
I expected Nathan to some swooping in to save him when he ran out of bullets.

It's like the writers are using the actual show to throw out every single story idea they have rather than, you know, drafting and revising before hitting the screen.
 
Yes, Elle's dead. Kristen's contract is up and the spoiler sites were talking about a blonde character dying. Say goodbye to Elle. Oh, if only they would trim all the excess fat and concentrate on real development for the remaining characters. That won't happen, of course. We'll still have 60 characters, and Noah will still protect that bratty Claire even though she's not worthy of it.
 
If they wanted to make Sylar go bad again, and since Bell's contract was up, wouldn't it have been simpler (and far more logical) to just have Noah kill Elle, rather than just wound her, thus sending an enraged Sylar back into pure villainy?

And that was without an actual paycheck. It's amazing how easy this stuff can be. The real writers are just making things too difficult for themselves. :p
 
I spent most of yesterday's episode listening to a hockey game online, and when that was over, I read a Zane Grey novel. Zane freakin' Grey.

This used to be a must-see show.
 
wouldn't it have been simpler (and far more logical) to just have Noah kill Elle, rather than just wound her, thus sending an enraged Sylar back into pure villainy?

I was sure that this was going to happen, but I was wrong.

But I really don't understand all this hostility towards the show and some of its characters. I still think it's a great show with great characters, storylines and surprises.

I think the only character so far that was really annoying and worthless is Monica Dawson. What happened to her anyway? I hope we'll never see her again, though Uhura being her grandma makes it very likely for her to return.
 
Hard to say if the season as a whole can be saved. But this episode was a step in the right direction and by far more entertaining than any of the others so far.

You can almost see the sweat pouring off the screen as they try mightily to haul this thing back on course. It made for some messy retconning - Isaac and the bike messenger comes to mind - and a bit if whiplash as Sylar is yanked in another direction once again. But at least this time it was the right direction: villain. Noah's back to his "anything for the job" ways with a murderous vengeance. Further, it looks like they may be backing off of this business of Sylar as a Patrelli; which makes story sense if he's being used as a tool by Ma and Pa. None if he was their actual son. And Nathan, whose leadership has been shown to lead down the path to the near apocalypse in alternate futures, looks to be central to the upcoming doom scenario again.

Promising.
 
So has anyone here actually checked out that Heroes: Destiny thing, or what? Is it as bad as it looks in the commercials?
 
But I really don't understand all this hostility towards the show and some of its characters. I still think it's a great show with great characters, storylines and surprises.

For me, it comes down to trust. I trusted that Buffy and Angel, even in the weaker late seasons, made some kind of sense. I might not like the directions the shows took, but I trusted that the clues had been there, and that any surprises or shocks were generated by consistent character and plotting. I don't think this is true of Heroes

Heroes just veers around maniacally, often leading to a circular plot in which little or nothing actually happens. Most surprises are retconned not a season later, but an episode or two later.

Ali Larter's characters are capable of anything because they're blank pages; Elle is capable of anything because nobody can be sure which Elle will show up on any given day. Sylar's path made sense until last night, largely on the strength of Quinto's performances - even he couldn't do much with the retcon-of-a-retcon swerve last night. Is Nathan still a born-again? Can the Haitian's evil brother have any dramatic possibilities when he's never been mentioned before last week, and will never be mentioned again? Maya left town to return home, and got as far as ... New Jersey. Claire is back in "you weren't there" whine mode. Hiro's character is rejuvenated by literally regressing his mental age (that it worked speaks volumes about the show).

The most insulting bit last night was the weak-as-water meta-fiction in which Seth Green, hero to uber-geeks, is called in to directly explain to fellow geeks why the plot changes actually make sense.

I voted "poor" this week for the first time, and don't think I'm happy about it. I liked this show, and I'd love to see it turn around and actually do something interesting. Maybe Nathan's super-army will help.
 
But I really don't understand all this hostility towards the show and some of its characters. I still think it's a great show with great characters, storylines and surprises.

For me, it comes down to trust. I trusted that Buffy and Angel, even in the weaker late seasons, made some kind of sense. I might not like the directions the shows took, but I trusted that the clues had been there, and that any surprises or shocks were generated by consistent character and plotting. I don't think this is true of Heroes

Heroes just veers around maniacally, often leading to a circular plot in which little or nothing actually happens. Most surprises are retconned not a season later, but an episode or two later.

Ali Larter's characters are capable of anything because they're blank pages; Elle is capable of anything because nobody can be sure which Elle will show up on any given day. Sylar's path made sense until last night, largely on the strength of Quinto's performances - even he couldn't do much with the retcon-of-a-retcon swerve last night. Is Nathan still a born-again? Can the Haitian's evil brother have any dramatic possibilities when he's never been mentioned before last week, and will never be mentioned again? Maya left town to return home, and got as far as ... New Jersey. Claire is back in "you weren't there" whine mode. Hiro's character is rejuvenated by literally regressing his mental age (that it worked speaks volumes about the show).

The most insulting bit last night was the weak-as-water meta-fiction in which Seth Green, hero to uber-geeks, is called in to directly explain to fellow geeks why the plot changes actually make sense.

I voted "poor" this week for the first time, and don't think I'm happy about it. I liked this show, and I'd love to see it turn around and actually do something interesting. Maybe Nathan's super-army will help.

I've cut this show a lot of slack over the past season and a half, but this post basically sums up my feelings right now.

The writers had good characters to begin with. They deserved to be developed and explored. Instead, the writers have apparently decided "character development" just means "make the characters do whatever the plot requires and tack on a thin explanation for why."

The characters seem to veer from one development to another, eventually winding up back where they started. Why is Sylar evil again? What happened to born-again Nathan? Why did Hiro need to learn all over again that Being a Hero is Hard and Requires Sacrifices? Why did Mohinder think Maya would want to see him when she hated his guts last time, for what he did to her?

Last week, Mohinder was shocked to learn he's working for the bad guys, and resolves to stop them. This week, Mohinder is shocked to learn he's working for the bad guys, and resolves to stop them. Next week, Mohinder...
 
So has anyone here actually checked out that Heroes: Destiny thing, or what? Is it as bad as it looks in the commercials?

It's fucking terrible. But I still pain through them to see if they'll eventually tie into the main story of the TV Heroes

And this is coming from the guy who loved almost every episode of this season so far while you guys talk shit on a high horse. The graphic novel, however, is fantastic.

But anyways, I loved this episode. :-D

HRG slitting Sylar's throat was bad ass. It was his push over the fence into that dark side, and gives ample reason for Claire to be truly bitter in the future.

Haitian guy just MURKING his brother was bad ass! And Nathan coming to his conclusion as to why he sides with his dad seemed logical to me, thus fitting into the future prophecies.

Daphne gets redeemed.

COMIC BOOK STORE! Best part of the episode! BEST. DAY. EVER. And I'm glad they brought back the Isaac Mendez sketch book; I was wondering what happened to that.

HIRO calling Sylar a bad man and teleporting him and elle into nowhere! Saving the day! Awesome.

Only thing that irks me is Mohinder. He still sucks.
 
The writers had good characters to begin with. They deserved to be developed and explored. Instead, the writers have apparently decided "character development" just means "make the characters do whatever the plot requires and tack on a thin explanation for why."

I agree - mostly - with what is being said here. But, I would argue from the start the broadly drawn characters were always in service of the plot, and bounced around to do what was needed to move the story along. It was less noticeable in the first season because the plot was far better and the characters novel. In addition, the way the story was told, no character was on the screen for any measurable time at all. They popped into an episode, did what was needed to get the story from point A to B, then were gone. But the more time we spend with them, the more poorly formed we realize they are. And since they are so poorly formed, the writers felt free to contort them in ways that barely make sense.

This will never be a show with any meaningful characterizations. The writers clearly haven't shown a skill for that, and I'm not sure that's what kind of show they're going for. But they can at least move them around the story in ways that make sense, and concentrate more on story than characters not built for heavy dramatic lifting. And, I think they're making an attempt to do that moving forward, even if it makes the first part of this season less meaningful than it already is.

We'll see.
 
If they wanted to make Sylar go bad again, and since Bell's contract was up, wouldn't it have been simpler (and far more logical) to just have Noah kill Elle, rather than just wound her, thus sending an enraged Sylar back into pure villainy?

I was sure Noah was going to sniper Sylar and end up hitting Elle instead, instead of Sylar killing Elle for no real reason. But instead of opting for the obvious cliche, Heroes went with their own crutch instead.
 
I gave this a Below Average, though given my recent scores I'm going to have to redefine exactly what "Average" means soon.

Peter's still an idiot, even without his powers. Mohinder actually grew a brain for the first time. The Parkman/Daphne stuff was nice too.
 
This show is starting to remind me of a writing exercise in one of my high school english classes WAAAAY back in the 90's. The class was divided into smaller groups, and each group was responsible for writing a short story. One member of the group would write the first paragraph, then they'd hand it over to the next member to write the second paragraph, and so forth. What you often ended up with was a bunch of people who didn't like each others' stories, each one contriving up some ham-handed bullshit transition to get them from the story they were handed to the story they wanted to write.
 
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