Official Trailer Review & Comments Thread!! [Spoilers, of course]

[ST-One]

I did hate how cheesy all of the 'rebellious Kirk' stuff seemed at the first part and the ubiquitous sex parts. I'm hoping there's a good reason for all the Kirk angst - like Kirk's dad is killed on the Kelvin and Kirk becomes a bitter kid because of it or something like that- and it's not just a rebel without a cause situation. I imagine it was just played up for the trailer, but I just got too much of an Anakin Skywalker vibe from it.

Yeah, it's that stuff that concerns me the most. That and the, he and Spock really don't like each other at first. It's just so entirely tired. You know, a lot of the time people who become lifelong friends feel an instant affinity for each other. Only in movies where you need to contrive some dramatic angst and you can't come up with something more original do people who end up spending their lives together instantly grate on each other's nerves for basically no reason. Now, there's plenty of reason for Spock and Kirk to have conflict, but if it's conflict that derives from Kirk being an annoying rebellious ass, well, that's just lazy and generic, rather than conflict that derives from who he and Spock are. And this has been the problem with Trek writing of the last ten years - it's gone for the most obvious, most lazy character interaction.

And you, of course, have seen the movie, read the script since you state that with such certainty?

 

[RedSpar]

Did anyone else get Top Gun deja-vu when Kirk was riding his motorcycle looking up at the enterprise with "what am I going to do with my future look" just like Tom Cruise had when he was on his bike watching the F-14s take off from Miramar?

 

[Lapis Exilis]

I did hate how cheesy all of the 'rebellious Kirk' stuff seemed at the first part and the ubiquitous sex parts. I'm hoping there's a good reason for all the Kirk angst - like Kirk's dad is killed on the Kelvin and Kirk becomes a bitter kid because of it or something like that- and it's not just a rebel without a cause situation. I imagine it was just played up for the trailer, but I just got too much of an Anakin Skywalker vibe from it.

Yeah, it's that stuff that concerns me the most. That and the, he and Spock really don't like each other at first. It's just so entirely tired. You know, a lot of the time people who become lifelong friends feel an instant affinity for each other. Only in movies where you need to contrive some dramatic angst and you can't come up with something more original do people who end up spending their lives together instantly grate on each other's nerves for basically no reason. Now, there's plenty of reason for Spock and Kirk to have conflict, but if it's conflict that derives from Kirk being an annoying rebellious ass, well, that's just lazy and generic, rather than conflict that derives from who he and Spock are. And this has been the problem with Trek writing of the last ten years - it's gone for the most obvious, most lazy character interaction.

And you, of course, have seen the movie, read the script since you state that with such certainty?

What part "if" did you find difficult to understand?

 

[Mach5]

Did anyone else get Top Gun deja-vu when Kirk was riding his motorcycle looking up at the enterprise with "what am I going to do with my future look" just like Tom Cruise had when he was on his bike watching the F-14s take off from Miramar?

Maybe it is JJ's way of honoring his buddy Tom

 

[Rat Boy]

Do you suppose that the gate young Kirk smashed through and the gorge that the 'vette fell into are all part of the site where the Enterprise was going to be built?

 

[StarFleetVeteran]

I just saw the trailer, and personally, I thought it was amazing.

It "brought a tear to me eye."

-cc

 

[Opus]

Did anyone catch a slight connection from when young Kirk was pulling himself from the cliffs edge after totalling the Corvette with the opening scene in TFF with Kirk scaling El Capitan?

Actually...for me...I got a Generations death-scene moment with him scrambling to hold on to the edge. Knowing that decades later he finally falls, adds a bit more (probably unintended) weight to that moment of his early life. If that was, in some way, intentional on the creators part, then I have 100% faith in letting them re-write Trek however they wish...

I didn't think of that! Nice catch.

This trailer and movie are certainly making me want to rewatch the other Trek movies again with renewed interest. I watched TMP just to catch Shatner's Kirk reaction to seeing the E-refit and just how more poignant that moment is now. And as others have mentioned, just how great the sacrifice Kirk makes for his friend Spock in TSFS. To me, it sounds like they're getting it right!

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

That and the, he and Spock really don't like each other at first. It's just so entirely tired. You know, a lot of the time people who become lifelong friends feel an instant affinity for each other.

Well, of course one of the cardinal rules of writing fiction is that just because something happens in real life is not an excuse (in and of itself) for putting it into a story.

Really.

There's no dramatic conflict in people getting along. The core of drama is people talking to one another. If they agree, most of the time there's no story at all.

There are some other story types, of course. There are the classic "man against nature" and "man versus himself" stories. My experience is that most of the former are reducable to the latter in terms of the telling, and that the latter are in many respects the character divided so as to be two characters for purposes of drama.

It's all arguable. But if most stories are about people in conflict with other people (or aliens/monsters/whatever) that's because it's the story type that most people are most interested in seeing or reading.

 

[RedSpar]

All I know is Kirk's dad is gunna be pisssssed when he find out he wrecked dad's 2 million credit collectible 20th century corvette.

 

[Sector 7]

^^Umm... yeah what he said.

I am amazed at the number of posters who came back from the trailer as converts. Or at least, no longer totally hating the new movie.
I think JJ & Co. are doing their job, and doing it well.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Aside from all else, the fact that "Star Trek" has come to be mainly stories about characters who all agree with one another most of the time is a major reason that most people are bored unto tears by it all.

And that extends to fan favorites like DS9 when compared to almost any non-Trek drama on TV at that time.

Having rewatched it a number of times now, the only things I don't love about this trailer are that:

1) There's not enough of it; and
2) Maybe the jacket the kid is wearing in the first scene.

 

[RedSpar]

Did anyone else get Top Gun deja-vu when Kirk was riding his motorcycle looking up at the enterprise with "what am I going to do with my future look" just like Tom Cruise had when he was on his bike watching the F-14s take off from Miramar?

Maybe it is JJ's way of honoring his buddy Tom

Lets just hope he also doesn't honor by adding a shirtless vollyball scene with Kirk and Spock.

 

[SalvorHardin]

Did anyone else get Top Gun deja-vu when Kirk was riding his motorcycle looking up at the enterprise with "what am I going to do with my future look" just like Tom Cruise had when he was on his bike watching the F-14s take off from Miramar?

Maybe it is JJ's way of honoring his buddy Tom

Lets just hope he also doesn't honor by adding a shirtless vollyball scene with Kirk and Spock.

Nah...I hear it a shirtless bowling scene in the E's rebooted bowling alley

 

[scotthm]

Having rewatched it a number of times now, the only things I don't love about this trailer are that:

1) There's not enough of it; and
2) Maybe the jacket the kid is wearing in the first scene.

What about the absense of the 'realism' Abrams has been hyping for so long? Do you really think young Kirk should have walked away from his 'vette drive without a scratch?

That alone causes concern.

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[Jax]

The trailer looked good but did nothing to show plot and am afraid it simply won't bring in new fans to the genre and with the current fanbase split the estimated £130-150 million budget seems a big waste.

 

[Rat Boy]

The trailer looked good but did nothing to show plot and am afraid it simply won't bring in new fans to the genre and with the current fanbase split the estimated £130-150 million budget seems a big waste.

This is JJ we're talking about. Plot's the last thing he'd show off. Did we really have any idea where Alias or Lost would be going when we first saw commercials for them?

 

[SalvorHardin]

The trailer looked good but did nothing to show plot and am afraid it simply won't bring in new fans to the genre and with the current fanbase split the estimated £130-150 million budget seems a big waste.

This is JJ we're talking about. Plot's the last thing he'd show off. Did we really have any idea where Alias or Lost would be going when we first saw commercials for them?

Which I find very refreshing since most movies tend to spoil everything in their trailers these days.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I'm sure we'll get the "storyline" trailer a month or two before the movie releases.

Hopefully we'll get an "extended scene" trailer with the Superbowl or something.

Is there some "Top Gun" and "Star Wars" stuff in this movie? God, I hope so - those were and are memorable and successful movies that have affected American commercial movie making in positive ways (being entertaining is, BTW, a crucially positive attribute of commercial film. Didacticism, not so much.).

 

[M'Sharak]

Do you suppose that the gate young Kirk smashed through and the gorge that the 'vette fell into are all part of the site where the Enterprise was going to be built?

It could be, but if they go that route, I'd want there to be a little more to it than "Oh, hey, we're right here in the same place you trashed the 'Vette! Isn't that a coincidence?"

The trailer looked good but did nothing to show plot and am afraid it simply won't bring in new fans to the genre and with the current fanbase split the estimated £130-150 million budget seems a big waste.

This is JJ we're talking about. Plot's the last thing he'd show off. Did we really have any idea where Alias or Lost would be going when we first saw commercials for them?

Which I find very refreshing since most movies tend to spoil everything in their trailers these days.

And what they didn't spoil in the trailer, they nail down so securely in the movie itself that no room whatsoever is left for the viewer's imagination to engage -- I don't care for that approach very much. One thing I remember is that Star Trek used to be very good at leaving spaces for the imagination to fill in -- you feel more involved when it isn't all spelled out in black and white to the last letter.

 

[ST-One]

The trailer looked good but did nothing to show plot and am afraid it simply won't bring in new fans to the genre and with the current fanbase split the estimated £130-150 million budget seems a big waste.

This is JJ we're talking about. Plot's the last thing he'd show off. Did we really have any idea where Alias or Lost would be going when we first saw commercials for them?

Which I find very refreshing since most movies tend to spoil everything in their trailers these days.

Agreed.
Who wants to know everything in advance anyway?

BTW: Every time I see this trailer I start to smile when I hear the red alert sound.