Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forward?

[MattJC]

Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

The poster is implying that they are one in the same, not Abrams.

No he isn't. He's saying pretty much the same thing as I am: You can't tell a TOS story involving Kirk and Spock without recasting.

TOS has long been cancelled. It isn't TOS.

 

[number6]

Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

No he isn't. He's saying pretty much the same thing as I am: You can't tell a TOS story involving Kirk and Spock without recasting.

TOS has long been cancelled. It isn't TOS.

So you are saying that no one is allowed to tell a Kirk and Spock or TOS story.

Who are you to decide that for all of us?

 

[Lynx]

Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

I'm against a "rebooted" Star Trek.

A "rebooted" Star Trek will not be the real Star Trek but a lousy copy.

If they can't stay true to the premise of the show and if they won't adapt it to accepted Star Trek history and continuity, then they shouldn't bother to make a "Star Trek" movie. In that case, they could make one of those third-rate crap SF-movies that we have too many of these days.

 

[number6]

Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

I'm against a "rebooted" Star Trek.

A "rebooted" Star Trek will not be the real Star Trek but a lousy copy.

If they can't stay true to the premise of the show and if they won't adapt it to accepted Star Trek history and continuity, then they shouldn't bother to make a "Star Trek" movie. In that case, they could make one of those third-rate crap SF-movies that we have too many of these days.

The writers and producers of this film aren't calling it a reboot.

I will go and see the film for myself and determine whether it's crap or not. No one here is going to tell me what to like.

 

[MattJC]

Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

TOS has long been cancelled. It isn't TOS.

So you are saying that no one is allowed to tell a Kirk and Spock or TOS story.

Who are you to decide that for all of us?

All I'm saying is that isn't TOS. It's just a movie using similar characters from TOS. A copy. A remake or whatever term you want to use, but not the original.
Like I said before, most of these people weren't even around when TOS WAS on the air.

 

[Akiraprise]

Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

No he isn't. He's saying pretty much the same thing as I am: You can't tell a TOS story involving Kirk and Spock without recasting.

TOS has long been cancelled. It isn't TOS.

I think we all can agree with this assessment. This movie is not TOS. This movie is telling a story set in TOS time frame using the same characters. As viewers we just have to accept that all of the set changes are a necessary product of the times. The new movie simply cannot be a carbon copy of the 1960s set and make money. The average person would not go to see it, they would scorn it, and the movie would not make money for the studio.

However, if you don't see the movie you don't have to accept anything. Anyone who thinks the new sets and the recasts suck has the ability to not see the film. Thereby keeping their personal view of Trek intact.

I just don't get all of the hand wringing by some of the older TOS fans. TOS ended a long time ago. This isn't TOS. Nothing will or can ever replace TOS. This film is just adding to the tapestry that TOS started. Why is that a bad thing?

 

[number6]

Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

So you are saying that no one is allowed to tell a Kirk and Spock or TOS story.

Who are you to decide that for all of us?

All I'm saying is that isn't TOS.
Like I said before, most of these people weren't even around when TOS WAS on the air.

So what if they weren't??

They're not saying that it's TOS. They are telling a Kirk and Spock origin story.
Their story is based on TOS, like every film and TV show since 1969.

 

[MattJC]

Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

All I'm saying is that isn't TOS.
Like I said before, most of these people weren't even around when TOS WAS on the air.

So what if they weren't??

They're not saying that it's TOS. They are telling a Kirk and Spock origin story.
Their story is based on TOS, like every film and TV show since 1969.

They're telling an origin story for their version of Kirk and Spock, not the ones from TOS.

 

[number6]

Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

I think we all can agree with this assessment. This movie is not TOS. This movie is telling a story set in TOS time frame using the same characters. As viewers we just have to accept that all of the set changes are a necessary product of the times. The new movie simply cannot be a carbon copy of the 1960s set and make money. The average person would not go to see it, they would scorn it, and the movie would not make money for the studio.

However, if you don't see the movie you don't have to accept anything. Anyone who thinks the new sets and the recasts suck has the ability to not see the film. Thereby keeping their personal view of Trek intact.

I just don't get all of the hand wringing by some of the older TOS fans. TOS ended a long time ago. This isn't TOS. Nothing will or can ever replace TOS. This film is just adding to the tapestry that TOS started. Why is that a bad thing?

QFT.

 

[Akiraprise]

Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

I'm still waiting for a response.
He replied to my first private message with "Define reboot", which I did but I don't think he got it or I hit the nail on the head with my response of "Anything that overwrites what has already happened", or something along those lines, I can't remember exactly what I said, and he just refused to answer me. He was online posting at that messageboard after I sent it.
I sent him a second private message with my response about a day after I sent the first one and I'm still waiting. He hasn't been posting on the board for about a week now.
I understand he's quite busy.

Well, at least he didn't ignore you. That's cool in and of itself. Are you going to give him some more time before PMing him again?

 

[number6]

Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

So what if they weren't??

They're not saying that it's TOS. They are telling a Kirk and Spock origin story.
Their story is based on TOS, like every film and TV show since 1969.

They're telling an origin story for their version of Kirk and Spock, not the ones from TOS.

So?
Are you saying that it's not allowed?

Who are you to say that?

 

[James Bond]

Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

They're telling an origin story for their version of Kirk and Spock, not the ones from TOS.

So?
Are you saying that it's not allowed?

Who are you to say that?

He owns Star Trek.

 

[Orac Zen]

Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

If this DOES actually end up violating the visual aspect of things, then it does overwrite and make invalid all that came during and after TOS.

How?

Is TOS going to cease to exist once the movie (which no one has seen but so many seem to absolutely know is going to be crap) is released? Will all the DVDs blink into non-existence? Will our memories of those episodes be wiped? All references to TOS be somehow removed from their various uses?

I don't like having something that worked and that we enjoyed taken from us.

How is it going to be "taken from us"? This statement makes zero sense - unless the scenario I mentioned above is going to happen the moment Trek XI hits theatres, it's just hyperbole.

This movie is not TOS. This movie is telling a story set in TOS time frame using the same characters. As viewers we just have to accept that all of the set changes are a necessary product of the times. The new movie simply cannot be a carbon copy of the 1960s set and make money. The average person would not go to see it, they would scorn it, and the movie would not make money for the studio.

However, if you don't see the movie you don't have to accept anything. Anyone who thinks the new sets and the recasts suck has the ability to not see the film. Thereby keeping their personal view of Trek intact.

I just don't get all of the hand wringing by some of the older TOS fans. TOS ended a long time ago. This isn't TOS. Nothing will or can ever replace TOS. This film is just adding to the tapestry that TOS started. Why is that a bad thing?

Now this is logic.


Would I really care if Star Trek was rebooted? No, I wouldn't care. As much as I like TOS it's just a TV show, not the meaning of life, and getting worked up over some of the trivia people fuss about would be (for me at least) a complete waste of time and energy - time and energy I could be directing toward something that actually matters. This movie will not cause TOS to cease to exist any more than TNG, DS9, Voy and Enterprise caused it to cease to exist. I can watch TOS any time I like. So can anyone else. The movie will not change that. All this angst over a fictional "universe" being "ruined" is just bizarre.

 

[number6]

Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

They're telling an origin story for their version of Kirk and Spock, not the ones from TOS.

So?
Are you saying that it's not allowed?

Who are you to say that?

He owns Star Trek.

No he doesn't. Paramount does, and as such they can to whatever they want with it. After ENT was cancelled, they decided not to do anything with it. They auctioned off all the props, the costumes and the sets and were content to let it go. Abrams wanted to do a Star Trek because he had a story he wanted to tell and given his successes, Paramount gave him the keys to the store. I think he's certainly qualified and based on the story his team told with MI:3, this has the potential to be really good, as MI:3 was.

They really nailed the spirit of Mission Impossible, as they had to deal with it. Who knows what they would have done if they had the opportunity to do it before Tom Cruise decided to make it a vehicle for himself?

According to all reports, this team gets what Star Trek is about and seem to have the savvy to revitalize it the way Casino Royale seems to have invogorated the Bond franchise. I want this film to be good. If it isn't, I'll be as disappointed as the next guy, possibly more because I am a LIFELONG fan at 43 years old.
Do I think JJ has a right to continue the franchise?? I won't know until I see this film. If it tanks, we'll know. That's really the only way. Each Team since TOS has produced more than its share of clunkers. They've all taken their turn. The fact that this team has no connection to the original team, or the 80's team or even the 90s team, certainly gives me pause. I felt the same trepidation I felt when Harve Bennet/Nick Meyer were in charge, and later with Rick Berman and from those guys we got Wrath of Khan and First Contact.

Abrams is at a disadvantage, because with all this money going into it, it has to be a slam dunk. The others had the luxury of being allowed to fail, including Gene Roddenberry.

Abrams doesn't have this luxury.

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt by seeing this film first before I proclaim its failure. Why is it so impossible for some of you to do the same?
Because it's Kirk and Spock??
Again I ask: Is doing a Kirk and Spock story not allowed and who are you to say so?

 

[Akiraprise]

Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

De Kelley sums up my thoughts on all of the show comparisons pretty well in this clip. Starting at about 8:30. While he is comparing TOS and TNG it would seem to apply pretty well to TOS and Trek XI too.

"To me each series stands on its own. Each captures the visions and dreams of its day."

My guess is we'll be saying something similar after May of next year.

 

[MattJC]

Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

I'm still waiting for a response.
He replied to my first private message with "Define reboot", which I did but I don't think he got it or I hit the nail on the head with my response of "Anything that overwrites what has already happened", or something along those lines, I can't remember exactly what I said, and he just refused to answer me. He was online posting at that messageboard after I sent it.
I sent him a second private message with my response about a day after I sent the first one and I'm still waiting. He hasn't been posting on the board for about a week now.
I understand he's quite busy.

Well, at least he didn't ignore you. That's cool in and of itself. Are you going to give him some more time before PMing him again?

I'll wait to see if he'll respond to my second PM.
If he doesn't, I'll give up and try to ignore this movie as much as possible and it won't be easy.
Yes, that includes ignoring any of the cast members who may apporach me at a convention I attend.
I can only tolerate so much about Abrams-Trek.
The funny part is this movie opens the day after my 31st birthday. That just rubs salt in the wound even more. I kind of wish it did come out of Christmas this year.

 

[James Bond]

Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

I'm still waiting for a response.
He replied to my first private message with "Define reboot", which I did but I don't think he got it or I hit the nail on the head with my response of "Anything that overwrites what has already happened", or something along those lines, I can't remember exactly what I said, and he just refused to answer me. He was online posting at that messageboard after I sent it.
I sent him a second private message with my response about a day after I sent the first one and I'm still waiting. He hasn't been posting on the board for about a week now.
I understand he's quite busy.

Well, at least he didn't ignore you. That's cool in and of itself. Are you going to give him some more time before PMing him again?

I'll wait to see if he'll respond to my second PM.
If he doesn't, I'll give up and try to ignore this movie as much as possible and it won't be easy.
Yes, that includes ignoring any of the cast members who may apporach me at a convention I attend.
I can only tolerate so much about Abrams-Trek.
The funny part is this movie opens the day after my 31st birthday. That just rubs salt in the wound even more. I kind of wish it did come out of Christmas this year.

He was nice enough to grant you the privilege of having a private conversation with him. What makes you think he owes you anything at all?

 

[MattJC]

Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

Well, at least he didn't ignore you. That's cool in and of itself. Are you going to give him some more time before PMing him again?

I'll wait to see if he'll respond to my second PM.
If he doesn't, I'll give up and try to ignore this movie as much as possible and it won't be easy.
Yes, that includes ignoring any of the cast members who may apporach me at a convention I attend.
I can only tolerate so much about Abrams-Trek.
The funny part is this movie opens the day after my 31st birthday. That just rubs salt in the wound even more. I kind of wish it did come out of Christmas this year.

He was nice enough to grant you the privilege of having a private conversation with him. What makes you think he owes you anything at all?

Don't give me that attitude.
I tried my best to be nice to the guy.

 

[number6]

Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

I'll wait to see if he'll respond to my second PM.
If he doesn't, I'll give up and try to ignore this movie as much as possible and it won't be easy.
Yes, that includes ignoring any of the cast members who may apporach me at a convention I attend.
I can only tolerate so much about Abrams-Trek.
The funny part is this movie opens the day after my 31st birthday. That just rubs salt in the wound even more. I kind of wish it did come out of Christmas this year.

He was nice enough to grant you the privilege of having a private conversation with him. What makes you think he owes you anything at all?

Don't give me that attitude.
I tried my best to be nice to the guy.

Given your attitude here and the fact you've been banned from Trekmovie.com, I seriously doubt that.

 

[Jon1701]

Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

Yes, that includes ignoring any of the cast members who may apporach me at a convention I attend.

You know Matt, I have a vision of Chris Pine and Simon Pegg chasing you across a hotel lobby somewhere, each with a copy of Star Trek on DVD in their hands - trying to get you to watch it. You are sprinting down the corridor, trying to escape them with your fingers jammed in your ears, screaming :

"La, La, La, La, La....I'm not listening! Nooooo....."