Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cast?

[ria 75]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

It isn't misogyny to not want to work with women.

What is it, then?

Personal preference

Same thing, different word.
Misogyny doesn't mean to be horrible with women, it just means hating them or - in your case - looking down on them.
Own to it.

 

[Dayton3]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

It isn't misogyny to not want to work with women.

What is it, then?

Personal preference

Same thing, different word.
Misogyny doesn't mean to be horrible with women, it just means hating them or - in your case - looking down on them.
Own to it.

I've posted nothing that indicates that I look down on women.

 

[Captain X]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

Well, there was that whole speal about women holding grudges and all that.

 

[Dayton3]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

Well, there was that whole speal about women holding grudges and all that.

That is an observed fact by myself and many others.

I never said it was bad. In fact, I pointed out that men were "shallow" when compared to women.

But I stated that I preferred working with men because that "shallowness" made conflict resolution with them easier.

Do you want to work with people that interaction is easier for you or not?

 

[Captain X]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

I determine that after working with them, I don't make judgments based on gender-specific stereotypes.

 

[BillJ]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

No.

You just eliminate an interesting dynamic. Shutting down a whole avenue of possible story-telling opportunities.

Plus, you take away a whole slew of fantasy material from today's young male youth... shame on you. To think where I'd be at today without those mini-skirts.

 

[Dayton3]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

No.

You just eliminate an interesting dynamic. Shutting down a whole avenue of possible story-telling opportunities.

Plus, you take away a whole slew of fantasy material from today's young male youth... shame on you. To think where I'd be at today without those mini-skirts.

Personally, I always wanted to deemphasize sexual content in science fiction.

StarGate SG:1 did just fine with very little of it.

 

[ria 75]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

I've posted nothing that indicates that I look down on women.

You don't want to work with them.

I pointed out that men were "shallow" when compared to women.

But I stated that I preferred working with men because that "shallowness" made conflict resolution with them easier.

Do you want to work with people that interaction is easier for you or not?

Good picking up. (catchup? I'm reaching the limits of my English)
Go for what's easy.
What about when you don't have a choice? Then you're unprepared. (Theoretically)

 

[Hermiod]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

Besides, if women hold a grudge longer, it might be because it is founded. Or because the man didn't make good. A man is less likely than a woman to acknowledge a mistake. He must save face and WIN everything. This might be stereotypical, but it's true.

Saying things like that doesn't make you sound a hell of a lot better than Dayton does here. Stereotyping based on gender is bad, full stop.

 

[Dayton3]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

We all use stereotypes daily in our lives though whether we acknowledge it or not.

 

[Hermiod]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

We all use stereotypes daily in our lives though whether we acknowledge it or not.

That doesn't make them a good thing, or the things you and Ria are saying about each other's genders less harmful.

 

[Captain X]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

StarGate SG:1 did just fine with very little of it.

SG1 had all kinds of it, right from the first episode. They had actual nudity in the pilot episode for crying out loud. More than one episode featured Carter in very little or nothing. Later on in the series they gave her a sleeveless t-shirt and pants that were a size too small for her. A lot of the Gould and Tokra women dressed in ways that showed off plenty of skin.

 

[Dayton3]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

StarGate SG:1 did just fine with very little of it.

SG1 had all kinds of it, right from the first episode. They had actual nudity in the pilot episode for crying out loud. More than one episode featured Carter in very little or nothing. Later on in the series they gave her a sleeveless t-shirt and pants that were a size too small for her. A lot of the Gould and Tokra women dressed in ways that showed off plenty of skin.

The nudity was mandated by the network. It wasn't typical of SG:1

 

[Captain X]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

The nudity was in only one of the things I listed, and Amanda Tapping's costume getting tighter happened after the switch to ABC and later after it'd gone to Sci-Fi. Same with the Gould and Tokra costumes. Dr. Frazer was about the only woman on the show to dress normally and professionally.

 

[ria 75]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

Besides, if women hold a grudge longer, it might be because it is founded. Or because the man didn't make good. A man is less likely than a woman to acknowledge a mistake. He must save face and WIN everything. This might be stereotypical, but it's true.

Saying things like that doesn't make you sound a hell of a lot better than Dayton does here. Stereotyping based on gender is bad, full stop.

I was repeating something I read from a psychiatrist (2nd part of my paragraph). I hadn't given it much thought before. I usually try not to be sexist but one must acknowledge basic differences between the sexes.
I will acknowledge typically female traits/flaws almost as easily, but why should I volunteer them?

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

I like shows with all male casts. One of the reasons I think the first three years of Law & Order was so great.

Would Trek fans here watch a Trek series with an all male, all human main cast?

Hmmm... depends... why would it be all-male?

There are certain differences which will always exist between males and females... in terms of temperment, in terms of physical characteristics, etc, etc... which make males more suitable for some jobs and females more suitable for others.

In a "Navy" situation (which most Star Trek represents) this is an entirely moot point, I think. So a "starship show" with an all-male cast... seems fairly unreasonable.

On the other hand, suppose you were doing a "Starfleet Marines" show. Something more along the lines of "Band of Brothers," for instance. Well, in that case, I would have no problem with the CORE CAST being all-male. Obviously, they'd be interacting with women (hopefully in reasonable and believable ways) but the primary cast could certainly be all-male. The smaller the group you were looking at, the more reasonable this would be... since while there are undeniably women out there who can kick the ass of most men, it's statistically less common than the other way around.

So, for instance, if this was a "Federation SWAT Team" sort of thing, with a dozen or so team members, going from trouble-site to trouble-site... sure, make it all male and I'd be hunky-dory with it.

It's hard to come up with other examples, however.

I get the impression that what you're REALLY suggesting is a counterbalance to the rather annoying tendency to be "politically correct" in terms of casting and character-creation factors in more recent Trek. I have no problem with a female character... provided that the character's PRIMARY DEFINING CHARACTERISTIC isn't that "well, it's a woman, get with it neanderthals!"

Give us a character who makes sense for the situation and the purpose of the role (good storytelling, not political-correctness preaching) and I'm sure we'll all be happy with that character, regardless of race, gender, or anything else.

To date, my favorite "mixed gender" team remains the Colonial Marines from ALIENS. Vasquez made great sense... I had no trouble accepting her as a combat soldier. The pilot was fine... her gender was irrelevant. And the medic was a more typical female (that's not sexist, folks, it's just honest). Ripley was the only one who even remotely rubbed me wrong there... the mix between "badass warrior" and "nurturing mommy" was a little bit "off" I think, though by no means did it harm the flick.

 

[Hermiod]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

I was repeating something I read from a psychiatrist (2nd part of my paragraph). I hadn't given it much thought before. I usually try not to be sexist but one must acknowledge basic differences between the sexes.
I will acknowledge typically female traits/flaws almost as easily, but why should I volunteer them?

People are different, no two women are alike, no two men are alike. Applying broad traits to people, especially when they're negative, is harmful.

 

[ria 75]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

Stop your whining already. Lots of generalities are true. As long as you make room for exceptions. To me they are implicit.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

No.

You just eliminate an interesting dynamic. Shutting down a whole avenue of possible story-telling opportunities.

Plus, you take away a whole slew of fantasy material from today's young male youth... shame on you. To think where I'd be at today without those mini-skirts.

Personally, I always wanted to deemphasize sexual content in science fiction.

StarGate SG:1 did just fine with very little of it.

Considering that Stargate is nothing more than a quarter-assed rip-off of Star Trek, that's not much of an argument. Try again.

But this thread is far more about your own personal psychological problems than about sci fi so maybe it should be moved to Misc?

Hmmm... depends... why would it be all-male?

Because Dayton can't cope with women. Seriously people, this freak show was fun for a while but now it's just getting nonsensical.

 

[Hermiod]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

Stop your whining already. Lots of generalities are true. As long as you make room for exceptions. To me they are implicit.

Unfortunately, you aren't making room and really what you're saying is no better than what Dayton is. Not a brush I would imagine that you want to be tarred with.