USS Kelvin, Speculation, in 3D!

[MadMan1701A]

hmmm ... yes. I can see what you mean. Hopefully I AM wrong.
I'm still sort of hoping that, cause they took the time and effort to reference the original Starfleet Uniforms (when in a prequel they could've used any old uniform) means that they realise that they can't F**k with the outside of the Enterprise.

Similarily I believe the bridge we've seen will either get the crap blown out of it and be due for replacement at the end of the movie, or it'll be a by-product of Nero screwing with the timeline, which is why it looks so advanced.

I just can't believe that they won't have found a way to make the TOS bridge look updated (ok ok, no jelly bean buttons), but look more or less the way it's supposed to be.

I am starting to have a feeling that the timeline is going to be VERY screwed up at some point of this movie. If Nero is going around trying to find all the Kirks and kill them like he's terminator, there's no telling what he might do.

Maybe I'll have this thing done by tomorrow afternoon. I was thinking about making the end of the nacelle look more like the back end of the NX-01's nacelles, instead of the TOS style.

-=MadMan1701A=-

 

[Psion]

I have a suspicion all warp engines are gonna be a bit shorter than we recall. And while I agree the "navigational deflector" looks concave (you did mean concave instead of convex, right ST-One?), It's possible the turbines are set into the throat of warp engines like the turbines on a turbo-jet engine and what we see that makes it look concave is actually just light falling on the inner rim.

Yes, I meant concave... just call me stupid

Ooooh! I am SO putting this little coin in my pocket for a rainy day!

 

[judexavier]

I have a suspicion all warp engines are gonna be a bit shorter than we recall. And while I agree the "navigational deflector" looks concave (you did mean concave instead of convex, right ST-One?), It's possible the turbines are set into the throat of warp engines like the turbines on a turbo-jet engine and what we see that makes it look concave is actually just light falling on the inner rim.

I don't know...

I don't think it looks that similar at all. If we go by what we see in the trailer, It looks like maybe the domes haven't been stuck on yet, and what we see is just the exposed "vanes" inside. This new thing looks obviously concave, as well.

I'm really hoping we don't get "jet engines in space"

-=MadMan=-

Well, here's a real shot in the dark quick guess...
the "bottom" (orangish?) nacelle IS the warp nacelle..where it appears to go convex, is the "dome" covering the turbine/BC guts, (exposed in the trailer E); the top pod is the deflector, glowing blue as in TMP, etc...so perhaps we are seeing how the deflector art design might be in the Movie E (and not a copper-colored dish)....
Another thought about the nacelles...didn't some of the german toy show reports quote the E nacelles and being "bigger/more organic/aerodynamic", but not short and stubby...hopefully anyway. Yeah, GE "space" turbofan spinning glowing stubby pod engines would be...weird.

 

[MadMan1701A]

OK, I have a bit of progress. First, from the original angle:

And here is what I have done with the Nacelle.

Again, I haven't tweaked the lighting, and the textures aren't done.

I noticed something else looking at the pics...

These look like TMP era phaser banks. Interesting. I guess those turrets are Torpedoes, then?

More updates soon.

-=MadMan=-

 

[Psion]

I have a suspicion all warp engines are gonna be a bit shorter than we recall. And while I agree the "navigational deflector" looks concave (you did mean concave instead of convex, right ST-One?), It's possible the turbines are set into the throat of warp engines like the turbines on a turbo-jet engine and what we see that makes it look concave is actually just light falling on the inner rim.

I don't know...

[Snipped images to conserve space ... see Judexavier's post]

I don't think it looks that similar at all. If we go by what we see in the trailer, It looks like maybe the domes haven't been stuck on yet, and what we see is just the exposed "vanes" inside. This new thing looks obviously concave, as well.

I'm really hoping we don't get "jet engines in space"

-=MadMan=-

Yep, I see what you're saying. Assuming the first trailer's Enterprise is accurate, there's no reason to think that's not a secondary hull assembly with a TMP-style navigational deflector up front.

 

[dougkeenan]

Nice work!

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

OK, I have a bit of progress. First, from the original angle:
I noticed something else looking at the pics...

These look like TMP era phaser banks. Interesting. I guess those turrets are Torpedoes, then?

More updates soon.

-=MadMan=-

I think the turrets probably aren't torpedoes. I'd probably bet on them being dedicated point-defense guns, something we haven't seen on Trek ships yes, but very important in a universe where missile-esque weapons (Torpedoes) are commonly used in combat.

Anyways, I'm really digging your take on this, I could definitley see the rest of the ship looking like this.

 

[Psion]

Madman, I know it isn't part of your normal workflow, but could you move your lamp so that the lighting more closely resembles that of the original image? That would help us spot possible differences in model shape.

 

[MarianLH]

Whether or not it's an accurate speculation, this is a nice-looking ship. Nice nod to FJ too, putting the engine greeblies on the bottom.


Marian

 

[MadMan1701A]

Madman, I know it isn't part of your normal workflow, but could you move your lamp so that the lighting more closely resembles that of the original image? That would help us spot possible differences in model shape.

No problem...

I am actually 90% done with this thing...

The lighting is somewhat close to what it was in the original image, I hope. I'm playing around with the light color, it seems kind of crude in blender.

Let's hope this is at least close.

-=MadMan=-

 

[MadMan1701A]

Whether or not it's an accurate speculation, this is a nice-looking ship. Nice nod to FJ too, putting the engine greeblies on the bottom.


Marian

Thanks.

 

[MadMan1701A]

OK, I have a bit of progress. First, from the original angle:
I noticed something else looking at the pics...

These look like TMP era phaser banks. Interesting. I guess those turrets are Torpedoes, then?

More updates soon.

-=MadMan=-

I think the turrets probably aren't torpedoes. I'd probably bet on them being dedicated point-defense guns, something we haven't seen on Trek ships yes, but very important in a universe where missile-esque weapons (Torpedoes) are commonly used in combat.

Anyways, I'm really digging your take on this, I could definitley see the rest of the ship looking like this.

That would definitely be an interesting take on it. I guess the effects people watch too much nuBSG.

 

[MadMan1701A]

Just messing around here... I think this is pretty cool.

Enjoy...

-=MadMan1701A=-

 

[MadMan1701A]

And one more, before I turn in...

Take it easy, everybody.

-=MadMan1701=-

 

[Amaris]

*right click* *save*
*right click* *save*

Nice.

J.

 

[MadMan1701A]

Thanks.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

[SULU] Oh my.... [SULU]

 

[Patrickivan]

I can't say that I'm a big fan of the single nacelle design (didn't really care for them in FASA's booklette either when it came out). But your renders of this ship look really sharp, and it's nice to have something new based on what will be in the Star Trek universe!

Do you think the scale might be off a bit in relation to the Enterprise? In the movie caps, it looks like there are two windows on the edge of the saucer (port side). Not that windows are indicitave of scale (as they can really be any size), but they are quite small in relation to the thickness of the saucer.

I like your interpretation of the nacelle and upper hull design too. They are nicely balanced.

 

[MadMan1701A]

I can't say that I'm a big fan of the single nacelle design (didn't really care for them in FASA's booklette either when it came out). But your renders of this ship look really sharp, and it's nice to have something new based on what will be in the Star Trek universe!

Do you think the scale might be off a bit in relation to the Enterprise? In the movie caps, it looks like there are two windows on the edge of the saucer (port side). Not that windows are indicitave of scale (as they can really be any size), but they are quite small in relation to the thickness of the saucer.

I like your interpretation of the nacelle and upper hull design too. They are nicely balanced.

Thanks. I was trying to figure that out about the scale as well, but from what I remember, this ship is supposed to be older/smaller than the Enterprise, so that's what I went with. The way the windows appear on the movie shot, it looks like that saucer section might be 4 or 5 decks thick! Maybe everything will be bigger like I heard someone say...

I tried not to make the nacelle too long, so it didn't look like it would tip over. I suppose the impulse engines being vertical hasn't bothered anyone, either. I thought that was an interesting departure from most designs.

-=MadMan=-

 

[Patrickivan]

I can't say that I'm a big fan of the single nacelle design (didn't really care for them in FASA's booklette either when it came out). But your renders of this ship look really sharp, and it's nice to have something new based on what will be in the Star Trek universe!

Do you think the scale might be off a bit in relation to the Enterprise? In the movie caps, it looks like there are two windows on the edge of the saucer (port side). Not that windows are indicitave of scale (as they can really be any size), but they are quite small in relation to the thickness of the saucer.

I like your interpretation of the nacelle and upper hull design too. They are nicely balanced.

Thanks. I was trying to figure that out about the scale as well, but from what I remember, this ship is supposed to be older/smaller than the Enterprise, so that's what I went with. The way the windows appear on the movie shot, it looks like that saucer section might be 4 or 5 decks thick! Maybe everything will be bigger like I heard someone say...

I tried not to make the nacelle too long, so it didn't look like it would tip over. I suppose the impulse engines being vertical hasn't bothered anyone, either. I thought that was an interesting departure from most designs.

-=MadMan=-

I agree about the windows- that's why I assumed they were just really small. It's going to be hard to get a handle on the scale of this ship with out a real reference item to compare it to- like someone walking on the hull.

I also think your placement of the impulse engines complements the location of the warp nacelle.

Are you going on the assumptions that the saucer rim is only one deck- perhaps with crawl spaces above and below?