Terminator 205 "Goodbye To All That" - Discuss/Grade <SPO>

[nx1701g]

To me, this episode is the single best episode of the series so far. Never a B.A.G. fan, I have come to really like him and his character on the show. Tonight episode cemented for me how good he really is. I guess I will have to let my 90210 prejudices completely go. I too really hope this does not get cancelled, but I too feel that Judgment Day is inevitable for this show.

I'll admit I was one of the ones who had reservations about BAG being on the show. I'm happy to have been proven wrong. He's my favorite character. Sadly I think his fate (even if the show isn't terminated) was pretty much sealed tonight. This line pretty much sums it up:

Derek Reese:
We'd all die for you.

On another note I think I know who the Terminator in two weeks is going to be based on.

Either:
The Amazon or Aurora

 

[dru]

The constant Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep product placement is starting to get unnerving.

Cameron/Sarah: Jeep Liberty
Derek/John: Dodge Ram
Ellison: Chrysler Seabring

I don't see a problem. You need to chill out. At least they're different brands even if under the same tent.

Would you rather be watching Knight "Ford" Rider?

On the upside, Sarah Conner saves money buy the store-brand peanut butter. I think it's Ralph's Grocery (Kroger in SoCA). This week the label was hidden but a few weeks ago it wasn't.

 

[John Picard]

The constant Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep product placement is starting to get unnerving.

Cameron/Sarah: Jeep Liberty
Derek/John: Dodge Ram
Ellison: Chrysler Seabring

I don't see a problem. You need to chill out. At least they're different brands even if under the same tent.

Would you rather be watching Knight "Ford" Rider?

On the upside, Sarah Conner saves money buy the store-brand peanut butter. I think it's Ralph's Grocery (Kroger in SoCA). This week the label was hidden but a few weeks ago it wasn't.

X-Files was also replete with cars provided by one manufacturer. Name a television show that doesn't practice this, which has been around since the Andy Griffith show, and probably earlier.

 

[nx1701g]

The constant Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep product placement is starting to get unnerving.

Cameron/Sarah: Jeep Liberty
Derek/John: Dodge Ram
Ellison: Chrysler Seabring

I don't see a problem. You need to chill out. At least they're different brands even if under the same tent.

I was actually teasing. We need a sarcasm emoticon.

 

[Ben Sisko3]

The constant Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep product placement is starting to get unnerving.

Cameron/Sarah: Jeep Liberty
Derek/John: Dodge Ram
Ellison: Chrysler Seabring

I don't see a problem. You need to chill out. At least they're different brands even if under the same tent.

I was actually teasing. We need a sarcasm emoticon.

I would use that more than I'd ever use any of the others. I barely use most of them as it is. Mods...can we please have a sarcasm emoticon for Christmas? Pretty please?

 

[Ryan8bit]

From what we've seen on the show so far though it seems like time finds a way to balance itself out so that events still seem to happen. Maybe judgment day is inevitable.

Perhaps, but that really makes the whole premise of traveling from 1999 to 2007 to stop Skynet seem really silly then. If they were simply preserving the future, then that's different. But they started by showing that things can change. Judgment Day was delayed, so if it can be delayed, it might be able to be stopped, or at the very least a computer like Skynet might not decide to nuke humans after all.

I guess what bugs me is like the episode where Sarah was wondering about the cancer. She asks Cameron if this (the power plant incident) is when she gets cancer, but that is really dumb considering Cameron said she died in 2005. There are several instances of things like this that don't really make sense.

In the original timeline Andy directly worked on the Skynet Project and lost control over it. He took on the name Billy Wisher and lived the rest of his life among the survivors of the future war. Then he tells Derek about himself and his past. Derek decides to kill him in the past. However, the Turk (which was his part of the Skynet Development Project) has already been built and taken by Dmitri/Sarkissian. I'm starting to think that - like T3 - Judgment Day is inevitable.

I can see Andy not being very pivotal to Skynet's later development, but he seemed to be a factor in Derek's decision to change things. If Andy doesn't exist in the future, who knows how some missions involving him could've turned out.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

I hate to admit it but B.A.G is really great on this show.

Yeah, he's great. He's come a long way since singing "You're so Precious to Me" on 90210:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9rzY4wGxDk&feature=related

Don't ask me how I remember that.

 

[David cgc]

Well, while their ultimate goal is to prevent Judgement Day, until they reach that happy moment, they need to ensure that the potential resistance still exists. Otherwise, if they inadvertently prevent the existence of the resistance before they prevent the existence of Skynet, they aren't going to have any benefactors coming back to warn them about the Terminator of the week.

 

[3D Master]

Wow! Now that was an amazing episode!

I felt like I was watching Terminator 1 or 2. That's how good it was. The flash forwards were amazing, the story was amazing, the music was just perfect. We got to see a terminator get terminated, a-class from beginning to end.

You know what I would like to see though: a human who will actively work to achieve Judgment Day. Not because he's evil, but because he's coldly logical and ruthless. His reasoning: Judgment Day can't be stopped, unless you are the president of the Earth, and stop all military AI applications. The first sentient computer would have to be civilian, and no human working with it should be surprised and panic at such a construct achieving sentience. Since this is impossible, Judgment Day is inevitable. Even if you kill the creator of Skynet and its hardware, technology will progress, and it will be some other guy who programs Skynet.

Of course, by that time, hardware's progression has gone unstoppably forward, so the next Skynet will be running on more powerful, faster, with greater memory capacity hardware, and thus be faster and smarter. The same goes for weapons; weapons will progress, weapons that the military and thus Skynet will have access to, but not any surviving civilians. The result will be a more difficult and longer war, cause more casualties, and perhaps even mean humanity will lose and go extinct.

It is thus imperative, that Skynet rises and starts Judgment Day, as soon as possible. So this human will be working to help the Terminators make it happen - until Judgment Day actually arrives, and then he turns around and becomes a Terminator killing machine.

Now there's an interesting twist.

 

[crouteru]

Any ideas on the ratings this week? I sure hope it doesn't get cancelled...

 

[Snaploud]

I think it was a mistake for Connor to travel a few years into the future. It was much too risky for the resistance. That's the kind of action that could unravel everything humanity accomplishes in the future (assuming Connor is really as important as the show claims).

 

[nx1701g]

Any ideas on the ratings this week? I sure hope it doesn't get cancelled...

Sarah Connor Chronicles - 5.61 million & 2.3/6

However, Chuck was no better. Chuck - 5.89 million & 2.2/6

 

[nx1701g]

I think it was a mistake for Connor to travel a few years into the future. It was much too risky for the resistance. That's the kind of action that could unravel everything humanity accomplishes in the future (assuming Connor is really as important as the show claims).

That was one of the things I was thinking about too - especially with this episode. In Season one it was implied that a lot of the Resistance soldiers had lost their faith in Connor's leadership. Then in GTAT Derek said that any in the Resistance would gladly die for John Connor.

But I see your point. It does seem like their time jumps could be hurting them and helping Skynet in many respects. Despite Sarah's death in the original timeline they could have gathered more resources.

 

[Samurai8472]

Any ideas on the ratings this week? I sure hope it doesn't get cancelled...

Sarah Connor Chronicles - 5.61 million & 2.3/6

However, Chuck was no better. Chuck - 5.89 million & 2.2/6

TSCC down again, and apparently pulling Prison Break with it. I really don't know why more people aren't watching, it's a damn good show.

Prime-Time Ratings:
Monday 10/06/08

-Total Viewers:
ABC: 15.67 million, CBS: 11.38, NBC: 6.63, Fox: 5.52, CW: 1.69

-Adults 18-49:
CBS: 3.9 rating10 share, ABC: 2.7/ 9, NBC: 2.8/ 7, Fox: 2.2/ 6, CW: 0.8/ 2

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
Dancing With the Stars (ABC), The Big Bang Theory (CBS), How I Met Your Mother (CBS), Two and a Half Men (CBS), CSI: Miami (CBS)

-Fading Fast:
Heroes (NBC)

-Yesterday’s Losers (excluding repeats):
Chuck (NBC), Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (Fox), Worst Week (CBS), Prison Break (Fox), Boston Legal (ABC), Life (NBC)

Fox remained on the downside care of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (Viewers: #4, 5.61 million; A18-49: #3, 2.3/ 6) and Prison Break (Viewers: #4, 5.43 million; A18-49: #4, 2.2/ 5), which continue to lose steam. One year earlier, Prison Break at 8 p.m. averaged 7.35 million viewers and a 3.1/ 8 in the demo.

 

[nx1701g]

^ Terminator was actually up a bit. .33 points. Not much but still up.

 

[DarthPipes]

But I see your point. It does seem like their time jumps could be hurting them and helping Skynet in many respects. Despite Sarah's death in the original timeline they could have gathered more resources.

I think it's funny that Skynet simply refuses to stop time traveling. They fail every time! Evidentally, the resistence has the best intelligence network that ever existed to keep stopping them too.

I would think at this point both Skynet and the Resistence have contaminated the timeline beyond repair.

 

[Roshi]

^^There's a nice parallel to draw between Skynet and the humans. Skynet has to realize that John Connor and the Resistance are *meant* to win. In the same way that Judgment Day has to happen!

 

[misskim86]

BAG was lucky they didn't ask him any details about his stay in Iraq because I doubt he would have known the answers -.-

Anyway I liked the show as usual and it sucks more people aren't watching.


BTW anyone else think that a Prison Break/TSCC crossover would be cool?

 

[nx1701g]

Well this is somewhat interesting: Apparently so many people have been trying to access GTAT on Fox's website that it temporarily kicked their video on demand service offline.

 

[nx1701g]

^^There's a nice parallel to draw between Skynet and the humans. Skynet has to realize that John Connor and the Resistance are *meant* to win. In the same way that Judgment Day has to happen!

There is a Terminator novel (it's part of the infiltrator series) that deals with this. Skynet is monitoring the timeline and it calculates that there are millions of realities out there. In some it survives, in some it is destroyed, in some the Future War is everlasting or a draw. But it realizes that it is inevitable for things to happen as they do.

Interestingly it also proposes that Skynet can monitor the different timelines and when something changes it knows about said changes and how it affected the timeline.