The Dark Knight Megathread (USE THIS! Love, the mods)

[Messianni]

I'm writing an article on TDK and could use a memory jog. Generally in the movie, torture doesn't work (not against the Joker, or the insane guy Dent threatens to kill). But what about when Batman pushes the mobster and breaks his legs? He gets some solid info from that, right?

PS. I don't condone torture, just trying to get an accurate representation.

No, not really. Maroni taunts him for letting people die while Batman has still not turned himself in, Batman says Joker must have friends (to which Maroni replies, "Have you met the guy?"). The only barely useful thing Maroni mentions is that the Joker came to the mob, not the other way around.

 

[Gaith]

I knew I could count on the BBS! Thanks.

 

[MNM]

I'm writing an article on TDK and could use a memory jog. Generally in the movie, torture doesn't work (not against the Joker, or the insane guy Dent threatens to kill).

Didnt it work on the insane guy though?

 

[Daedalus12]

^ Um I was a preteen during the Titanic reign. I know people that saw it 20+ times. That is not an embellishment or a made up figure. One of my friends in middle school saw Titanic 27
Note: I only saw Titanic once in a theatre.

She spent at least $160 on Titanic tickets?

Well it looks like comic fanboys have got nothing on teeny boppers.

 

[MPH]

Seen it today! Good film not brilliant and I can't make up my mind if its better than Begins. Ledgers performance was good but overrated, any decent actor probably could have pulled the Joker off.
And did anyone feel like this didn't really feel like a Batman film?

Ummm... it didn't feel like a Tim Burton film or a ... oh, hell, I've forgotten the name of the guy who followed Burton... well, anyway... it didn't feel like the last batch of movies.

But it DID feel like a Batman film, just like "Begins" did. These are the ONLY Batman shows I've ever seen that felt like "Batman" as I've known the character for over four decades.

So, what is it that a Batman film is "supposed to feel like" in your view?

For me, Batman is the only "superhero" who really fits into the real world better than into the fantasy world. The more "real" the world is, the better the Batman story is. You can't say the same for any other character, IMHO.

The opposite viewpoint was taken by the last few movies before Nolan... driving cars around on gargantuan art-deco statues and so forth. Of course, those movies were absolute sewage, IMHO, soooo....

Im not sure! Maybe I wanted to see something in the lines of between Burtons and Schumachers films, I think Begins did this with that monorail for an example. This Gotham city just seemed like any US city.
Oh and I missed the Wayne manor and would have liked to have seen the Batcave.
This film seemed to me just like a crime thriller that happens to just have Batman in it.

 

[Gaith]

I'm writing an article on TDK and could use a memory jog. Generally in the movie, torture doesn't work (not against the Joker, or the insane guy Dent threatens to kill).

Didnt it work on the insane guy though?

My understanding of the scene was he didn't know any good information to divulge in the first place, and only acted as though he did because of his insanity. Then Batman shows up and tells Dent something useful...

 

[MNM]

^^ you are probably right in that he didnt have anything useful, but it did seem like the torture worked in the sense that if the guy had have known something, he would have spilled it.

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

Why didn't the city have a big reward out for the Joker, anyway?

Fight fire with money.

I think the movie should've ended with Wayne waking up and it all being a dream caused by the Scarecrow's fear toxin.

Then Bobby Ewing emerges from the shower. "Honey, it's over, none of that happened. We're together and I love you. And I'm getting you all wet."

 

[Aragorn]

Yahoo Movies article

Batman buried his rivals at the North American box office for a second weekend on Sunday, racing past $300 million in a record 10 days.

The Caped Crusader's blockbuster outing, "The Dark Knight," sold an estimated $75.6 million worth of tickets during the three days beginning Friday, taking its total to $314.2 million, distributor Warner Bros. Pictures said.

A week after it scored a record-breaking $158 million opening, "The Dark Knight" added a new title to its impressive list of superlatives: the best second weekend, surpassing the holiday-boosted $72 million haul of 2004's "Shrek 2."

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"The Dark Knight" now ranks as the second-biggest movie of the year, just behind the $315 million haul of "Iron Man," and the 23rd-biggest of all time.

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[Agent Richard07]

I wonder if it'll hit $500 million.

 

[nx1701g]

^ I think that it may if people keep going to see it like they have been.

 

[ATimson]

Re: Does Gordon know? Spoilers for TDK

Yeah I kinda know what you mean. I had a hard time buying that his burns and the loss of Rachel, as bad as those things were, would actually send him over the edge and turn him into a raving, bloodthirsty madman; he just seemed to be too decent a guy for that.

He may have seemed that way to you, but he wasn't; witness his behavior in the alley after Rachel is captured, before Batman shows up and stops him.

 

[Avilos]

Re: Does Gordon know? Spoilers for TDK

Yeah I kinda know what you mean. I had a hard time buying that his burns and the loss of Rachel, as bad as those things were, would actually send him over the edge and turn him into a raving, bloodthirsty madman; he just seemed to be too decent a guy for that.

He may have seemed that way to you, but he wasn't; witness his behavior in the alley after Rachel is captured, before Batman shows up and stops him.

Right. That was the implication of his nickname while at Internal Affairs. That cops called him "Two Face" before his scarring would suggest the traditional meaning of that phrase. That he was a bit of a phony. Willing to tell people what they want to hear. Even if it contradicts what he tells others. I wish that this had been more explicitly shown though.

 

[Skywalker]

Re: Does Gordon know? Spoilers for TDK

Let's not forget that he manipulated people into doing things his way by flipping a coin that could only land on heads. Dent was a good man, but there were some definite chinks in his shining armor.

 

[nx1701g]

Re: Does Gordon know? Spoilers for TDK

^ Exactly. But I can also remember his comment regarding the coin late in the movie. He said that sometimes you have to make your own luck.

 

[Trekker4747]

Re: Does Gordon know? Spoilers for TDK

^ Exactly. But I can also remember his comment regarding the coin late in the movie. He said that sometimes you have to make your own luck.

I don't think he used the coin to manipulate people so much as he used it to "get his way."

"You'd leave something like that up to fate?"
"Not exactly."

 

[StarTrek1701]

Re: The Joker must go on...

I think it is assured that Nolan is amongst the A-List in Hollywood right now, stacked right aside such talents as Steven Spielberg, Martin Scorsese, Michael Mann, et al. I'm sure whatever he does next is going to grab a lot of people's attention.

You are getting waaayyyy ahead of yourself now. Nolan amongst Spielberg and Scorsese? Are you nuts? These guys gave us one hit after another, all Nolan gave was Dark Knight. Let him give us a few more movies that are the blockbusters of their respective years and then we'll see.

 

[Daedalus12]

Re: The Joker must go on...

You are getting waaayyyy ahead of yourself now. Nolan amongst Spielberg and Scorsese? Are you nuts? These guys gave us one hit after another, all Nolan gave was Dark Knight. Let him give us a few more movies that are the blockbusters of their respective years and then we'll see.

Scorsese didn't make that many blockblusters. His highest gross film ever was his recent Best Picture winner The Departed. In terms of quality I think Nolan has already reached Spielburg's level but not Scorsese's. Hey I know I am biased towards to Scorsese as he is my favorite director along with Kubrick and Lynch.

Nolan's notable works so far are Memento, The Prestige, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. My favorite Nolan movie is still Memento but TDK is a fairly close second.

 

[Gaith]

^^ you are probably right in that he didnt have anything useful, but it did seem like the torture worked in the sense that if the guy had have known something, he would have spilled it.

Er... so Hillary's campaign was a success? After all, if she'd gotten more delegates than Barack, she would have won.

Sorry, but that's an unproven hypothetical.

 

[JacksonArcher]

Re: The Joker must go on...

You are getting waaayyyy ahead of yourself now. Nolan amongst Spielberg and Scorsese? Are you nuts? These guys gave us one hit after another, all Nolan gave was Dark Knight. Let him give us a few more movies that are the blockbusters of their respective years and then we'll see.

Scorsese didn't make that many blockblusters. His highest gross film ever was his recent Best Picture winner The Departed. In terms of quality I think Nolan has already reached Spielburg's level but not Scorsese's. Hey I know I am biased towards to Scorsese as he is my favorite director along with Kubrick and Lynch.

Nolan's notable works so far are Memento, The Prestige, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. My favorite Nolan movie is still Memento but TDK is a fairly close second.

Much agreed. Chris Nolan's films have been consistently good. As he continues to do more work, the quality level in his films just get higher and higher.