Issues with Voyager
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I like Naomi.
She proved that no one else knew where their genitals were.
She proved that no one else knew where their genitals were.
Yes, they did a great job with that. Then, after that very good episode (mother/daughter wise; I didn't like the episode itself) the mother completely disappears.
I'm pretty sure Naomi's mother mainly disappeared because the actress was always busy with other things. Usually when a recurring character disappears like that it's due to scheduling problems. Eventually the casting people and/or the writers just give up on attempting to get that person.
I take the "Meh, whatever," approach to these kinds of threads. Not like we haven't had this discussion a million times before. The forum regulars don't usually take the bait the OP is offering and we usually get some good discussion out of these threads.
So bring on the neutered Lameway Borg kids abomination that is Voyager.
Oh, and how can the OP forget to mention big titted Seven in a thread about the dreck that is this show? Surely Gene Roddenberry would not have approved of her addition.
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She wants behind the camera it would seem, anyone seen this sitcom"10 items or less" she produced and wrote?
They got her for Fury, so I suspect they could have fit her in any episode they felt like if they enjoyed her company... But however she was making her money which kept her so busy, it wasn't from acting on the tv elsewhere.
Sam and Neelix hooking up would have been excellent, the hedgehog needed something to do, and Naomi calling him "daddy" would have been hilarious. Of course considering the kid was aging three times faster than a human, at some point into the ninth year of their journey home Naomi and Harry would have been dating.
She wants behind the camera it would seem, anyone seen this sitcom"10 items or less" she produced and wrote?
They got her for Fury, so I suspect they could have fit her in any episode they felt like if they enjoyed her company... But however she was making her money which kept her so busy, it wasn't from acting on the tv elsewhere.
Sam and Neelix hooking up would have been excellent, the hedgehog needed something to do, and Naomi calling him "daddy" would have been hilarious. Of course considering the kid was aging three times faster than a human, at some point into the ninth year of their journey home Naomi and Harry would have been dating.
Harry and Naomi... *shivers* There's a mental picture I could have done without...
As far as space-pedophilia goes, I still laugh my ass off thinking about Data's daughter Lal practically raping an unwitting Riker in Ten forward.
Too many bland characters like Kim, Chakotay, Paris or Neelix. I was one of the few who seems to not have minded that they were ignored as the series continued. Even the few headliners they were showcased in were usually awful.
I didn't mind the standalone style of the show but the writing was weak. If we had more standalones like we got in TNG from seasons 3-6 I wouldn't have minded one bit if they didn't do arcs.
I thought they failed to capitalize on the crew being in the Delta Quadrant. Here they had a chance to make it so unique and alien with all sorts of unusual species/civilizations or ideas. And instead they had the crew running into Klingons, Ferengi, Romulans etc.
I really like Kate Mulgrew and I really think that had the writers let her imbue more of herself into Janeway it would have helped tremendously.
The fact that it didn't have arcs or didn't show damage every week or didn't explain explicitly why they had a supply of shuttles or the absence of dark miserable people weren't the problems. Ultimately like ENT, it was the writing.
I didn't mind the standalone style of the show but the writing was weak. If we had more standalones like we got in TNG from seasons 3-6 I wouldn't have minded one bit if they didn't do arcs.
I thought they failed to capitalize on the crew being in the Delta Quadrant. Here they had a chance to make it so unique and alien with all sorts of unusual species/civilizations or ideas. And instead they had the crew running into Klingons, Ferengi, Romulans etc.
I really like Kate Mulgrew and I really think that had the writers let her imbue more of herself into Janeway it would have helped tremendously.
The fact that it didn't have arcs or didn't show damage every week or didn't explain explicitly why they had a supply of shuttles or the absence of dark miserable people weren't the problems. Ultimately like ENT, it was the writing.
nah just a sick day - aand had a chance to vent
IN RESPONSE
#1 - Misunderstanding here - what i meant was the marquis VS starfleet crew conflict - as far as the repairs/etc with replicators (which I hate) its not an issue
#2 - More misunderstanding here - what I mean by holowreck is that its a disaster for story telling and ST in general - a show within a show - it was used fine in TNG S1 after that it was all down hill
#6 yes she was a plot device for 7 of 9 - but she became more than that and was just outright a dumbing down of the show - the episode with her in the holodeck comes to mind
I must honest disagree the cast was very weak - Beltran is just a horrible actor - with G Wang right behind - Janeway was poorly portrayed Duncan and Kes were OK
I agree. I think in this case what bugs me is that she could have been more of a semi-regular character once Naomi was born. If Beverly Crusher hadn't returned in S3 of TNG, I think the series still could have done fine with Pulaski but the producers would have also made some effort to remind the audience she still existed, if she didn't return for at least one ep.
* chuckles *
I have brain soap if you need some. 
You know, I do understand your list and respect that..I actually agree with #'s 1, 4, and 7 but have to disagree on the others. I think this was the BEST cast in all of Trek..hey they got along with each other in real life..you can't say that for TOS cast!!! And casting Picardo as the Doc was genius cause he kept me laughing the whole time with his dry sense of humor.
As for "Lameway", I must admit, I didn't like her at first..but grew to LOVE her towards the second and third seasons of the show.
As for Naomi Wildman, I really liked the fact that they grew her up in the series well and I really liked her..of course, like all katarians and part humans, she wasn't perfect..but who is???
As for Holowreck..what on EARTH are you referring to?? I think they did an excellent jobwith Captain Proton, as well as the movie theater in "Repression" . I also loved Sandrine's as well..very well executed and built, IMHO.
But I do agree that there was more technobabble on this series..I don't know HOW the cast could pronounce half the words that were read on the scripts..must have had a lot of practice!
As for "Lameway", I must admit, I didn't like her at first..but grew to LOVE her towards the second and third seasons of the show.
As for Naomi Wildman, I really liked the fact that they grew her up in the series well and I really liked her..of course, like all katarians and part humans, she wasn't perfect..but who is???
As for Holowreck..what on EARTH are you referring to?? I think they did an excellent jobwith Captain Proton, as well as the movie theater in "Repression" . I also loved Sandrine's as well..very well executed and built, IMHO.
But I do agree that there was more technobabble on this series..I don't know HOW the cast could pronounce half the words that were read on the scripts..must have had a lot of practice!
Pulaski would have been paired romantically with Picard if she stayed. Although, considering how little effort was put forward with Bev/Picard or Vash/Picard... You'd think his girlfriend was Lwaxana .
Busting down the smut with brain soap just gives new smut more room to grab hold. There's several jenga towers of smut teetering all over my brain making a deborcheorus skyline of gray matter.
As far as cast off little blonde girls for no reason go, I could have done with some more Marla Gilmore. She would have brought some depth to Chuckles and if the rest of the crew continued to sneer at her for going along with mass murder... That would have been funny too.
Busting down the smut with brain soap just gives new smut more room to grab hold. There's several jenga towers of smut teetering all over my brain making a deborcheorus skyline of gray matter.
As far as cast off little blonde girls for no reason go, I could have done with some more Marla Gilmore. She would have brought some depth to Chuckles and if the rest of the crew continued to sneer at her for going along with mass murder... That would have been funny too.
You know, I do understand your list and respect that..I actually agree with #'s 1, 4, and 7 but have to disagree on the others. I think this was the BEST cast in all of Trek..hey they got along with each other in real life..you can't say that for TOS cast!!! And casting Picardo as the Doc was genius cause he kept me laughing the whole time with his dry sense of humor.
As for "Lameway", I must admit, I didn't like her at first..but grew to LOVE her towards the second and third seasons of the show.
As for Naomi Wildman, I really liked the fact that they grew her up in the series well and I really liked her..of course, like all katarians and part humans, she wasn't perfect..but who is???
As for Holowreck..what on EARTH are you referring to?? I think they did an excellent jobwith Captain Proton, as well as the movie theater in "Repression" . I also loved Sandrine's as well..very well executed and built, IMHO.
But I do agree that there was more technobabble on this series..I don't know HOW the cast could pronounce half the words that were read on the scripts..must have had a lot of practice!
How is Captain Proton grand story telling - its a story within a story - lame and cartoonish and IMHO an insult to the scifi fan
My point is that this is ST its adult scifi drama the Holodeck is a horrible device for story telling - it a crutch that is like crack - addicting the writer into easy scripts that offer little to the viewer
You know, I do understand your list and respect that..I actually agree with #'s 1, 4, and 7 but have to disagree on the others. I think this was the BEST cast in all of Trek..hey they got along with each other in real life..you can't say that for TOS cast!!! And casting Picardo as the Doc was genius cause he kept me laughing the whole time with his dry sense of humor.
As for "Lameway", I must admit, I didn't like her at first..but grew to LOVE her towards the second and third seasons of the show.
As for Naomi Wildman, I really liked the fact that they grew her up in the series well and I really liked her..of course, like all katarians and part humans, she wasn't perfect..but who is???
As for Holowreck..what on EARTH are you referring to?? I think they did an excellent jobwith Captain Proton, as well as the movie theater in "Repression" . I also loved Sandrine's as well..very well executed and built, IMHO.
But I do agree that there was more technobabble on this series..I don't know HOW the cast could pronounce half the words that were read on the scripts..must have had a lot of practice!
Voyager was the first series I ever watched when I took an immediate liking to ALL the main characters. OK, I did find The Doctor a bit unconvincing and the premise for the character a bit over the top at first but it only took three episodes before he became a favorite too.
O.K., after saying I hate these threads over in DS9 land, I'll bite, perhaps it can be fun.
#1--I personally like the execution--it was an exciting and interesting 7-year journey.
#2--Holowreck is indeed my least favorite part, but not unique to Voyager, it mucks up all modern Trek (except Enterprise, yeah!). Don't even get me started on the Doc once he got a mobile emitter...
#3--One of the absolute best Trek casts, Wang being the only truly weak link.
#4--you've got me there...
#5--Janeway rocks! Ranks right up there with Kirk and Picard as the best captains. And they say there's no character development in Voyager--that's some evolution she went through, hated some of it, loved some of it--all of it was interesting.
#6--Naomi--aw, again, folks are always complaining about no continuity, but I thought she was fun. She made sense, she was well-used unlike the seldom seen kids of TNG. The Naomi-Seven dynamic was wonderful.
#7--Well, why keep them all-powerful forever? That would get dull. There's no such thing as an enemy you can't defeat anyway. They chipped away slowly, I'll give them that--an interesting evolution, neuter away writers, I wanna watch!
This show was great, and I don't give a shit what GR would think--never have, never will.
Plenty of good stuff comes from the "show within a show" concept, plenty of good scifi stories. Of course those have more to do with the people being unable to tell the difference between which is the true reality.
Anyways, I think "Hollow Pursuits" (the first Barclay story) was the best use fo the holodeck as a character-driven story that explored Barclay.
