Doctor Who – 4x12 – The Stolen Earth (Grade/Discuss)

[Guy Gardener]

Y'know, his screwdriver is pretty faithful too.

I can see a horrid, star trekian phasing accident where Donna and Rose get combined into a single person called Rhonda.

 

[Samurai8472]

Y'know, his screwdriver is pretty faithful too.

I can see a horrid, star trekian phasing accident where Donna and Rose get combined into a single person called Rhonda.

The doctor will spend one christmas special debating as to whether he should split this new being or keep it.

Actually with the experimental teleport tech "project indigo" I wouldn't put it pass RTD to do this.

 

[Slugboy]

So, re: the most faithful bit....is Rose the one whose going to die in the next episode? I hope not, I like Rose!

It's probably going to be donna and Rose will get another sucker punch in the gut because she isn't the most faithful/ only companion to claim the doctor

Mr. Awe made an interesting suggestion that "Donna will jump within her own history and save events. The result will be that she loses her mind like Caan or, if she's lucky, just her memory.". This is similar to my (admittedly silly) theory:

The Doctor figures out some way of turning the Time War in the favour of the Time Lords (maybe some info or equipment or something). Donna volunteers to get sent back to the Time War (over the Doctor's objections, no doubt). Due to the fact that "something is binding" the Doctor and Donna together, when she goes back in time, she ends up in the Doctor's TARDIS during the war, to give him the information/equipment (maybe the 'him" in question will be an earlier incarnation of the Doctor (Christopher Eccleston, maybe, or perhaps even Paul McGann?), thus feeding into the whole "three-fold man" thing) The result is that the Time War is changed and the Time Lords win. Thus they exist in the present time and can fix the whole mess with the Daleks.

Unfortunately, going back into the Time War drives Donna completely and permanently insane, which I suppose is a kind of "everlasting death". (maybe she kills herself in a psychotic fit).

Anyway, that's enough wild speculation for me for one day.

 

[Brent]

I want to break the time lock and see the conclusion already!

 

[Samurai8472]

and we'll all watch you go insane

brent-OOOH the series finale........hehehehe It was brilliant! hehehe the puns, the jokes, the endless fanwank! *singsong* I know the ending,I know the ending*singsong*

 

[Brent]

i'm going to watch them both back-to-back, i want to see the first part again, then immediatly watch the second, it'll be like one big movie

 

[Guy Gardener]

Donna has a Guy on the other side of time and space shes supposed to be all true love with remember. She has to end up with him, or one of them dies just before they're reunited... like what happened last week with Rose and the doctor.

 

[PlainSimpleJoel]

i'm going to watch them both back-to-back, i want to see the first part again, then immediatly watch the second, it'll be like one big movie

Interesting idea, but as soon as I find it online I'm going to watch it. And then later watch both back to back.

 

[Jim Gamma]

Spoiler: The Most Loyal Companion

Y'know, I did notice that Caan only says "the most loyal companion" will die. Nowhere does he say "the DOCTOR'S most loyal companion", or even "HIS" most loyal companion. Sure, the ramblings are mostly about the Doctor, but what if this is a reference to DAVROS' most loyal companion?

In other words, what if CAAN, who went mad trying to rescue Davros, is the "companion" that dies an everlasting death? After all, he's died "a thousand times", this might be why Caan specified "everlasting" death, not just death.

 

[The Squire of Gothos]

I'm rewatching the episode on catch up TV, I see now that the Shadow Proclamation admit to not being part of the higher races, so it makes sense now that they've not heard of the Timelords.

One other thing, when the Dalek Supreme appears first to address the Daleks, there's some sort of strange object floating about amongst the other Daleks, was it just a platform for Daleks or some sort of variant?

 

[Mr Awe]

Mr. Awe made an interesting suggestion that "Donna will jump within her own history and save events. The result will be that she loses her mind like Caan or, if she's lucky, just her memory.". This is similar to my (admittedly silly) theory:

The Doctor figures out some way of turning the Time War in the favour of the Time Lords (maybe some info or equipment or something). Donna volunteers to get sent back to the Time War (over the Doctor's objections, no doubt). Due to the fact that "something is binding" the Doctor and Donna together, when she goes back in time, she ends up in the Doctor's TARDIS during the war, to give him the information/equipment (maybe the 'him" in question will be an earlier incarnation of the Doctor (Christopher Eccleston, maybe, or perhaps even Paul McGann?), thus feeding into the whole "three-fold man" thing) The result is that the Time War is changed and the Time Lords win. Thus they exist in the present time and can fix the whole mess with the Daleks.

Anyway, that's enough wild speculation for me for one day.

I like it! And, I was trying to figure a way to figure in the past Doctor. The three-fold man to me defintely implies past, present, and future. Present and future I can guess about but couldn't figure out how they'd incorporate the past Doctor. Your suggestion is a pretty good one. Although, I was guessing it would be McCoy while your scenario would make McGann most logical.

Mr Awe

 

[ITL]

If McGann makes an appearance in the finale I will:

1) Squee like the fanboi I'm obviously not (I'm a manly man, dammit!) as I thought McGann was a great Doctor and have wanted to see him back before the camera for AGES.
2) Bow down in awe and worship the production team/BBC for keeping it under wraps.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

If McGann makes an appearance in the finale I will:

1) Squee like the fanboi I'm obviously not (I'm a manly man, dammit!) as I thought McGann was a great Doctor and have wanted to see him back before the camera for AGES.
2) Bow down in awe and worship the production team/BBC for keeping it under wraps.

Same here.

The same applies if it's Peter Davison, Colin Baker, Sylvester McCoy (who I think is the most likely of the four), or Christopher Eccleston.

 

[ITL]

Yeah, I won't be shocked to see McCoy turn up after watching Confidential last week.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Indeed. He was practically in costume!

 

[Bob The Skutter]

That makes three of us...

 

[Rosalind]

I liked it, but the drag effect of Rose's self-centeredness, and subsequent crap "Oh, you're back!!!!!!1!!! My loooooooooooooooooove!!!!!!!!!" running down the street (I hate that cliche so very, very, very, very much. It's so 'bad romance novel'.) just kept me from giving it anything above "Average".

That summed up my feeling about this episode. I'm going to vote after I've seen the next episode though.

 

[Classic Fan]

Im betting on at least McCoy to make an appearence on saturday.

I mean, being interviewed as if ready or just after filming is either a very clever device by RTD to get us all talking or was in actual fact, in costume for filming.


What still gets me is Caans three-fold-man mention.

WTF could that possibly mean, it could mean one of anything you could ever think of, but still, three-fold-man?

 

[The Nth Doctor]

What still gets me is Caans three-fold-man mention.

WTF could that possibly mean, it could mean one of anything you could ever think of, but still, three-fold-man?

As Mr. Awe suggested earlier:

I'm still uncertain about the "three-fold man" bit.

I'm guessing it refers to a past, present, and future Doctor all being in one place/time simultaneously. It'll take 3 Doctors to resolve this mess.

Mr Awe

 

[Timby]

Indeed. He was practically in costume!

Not to break anyone's fanwank boner, but...

McCoy in Confidential

McCoy later that very same day