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Kobayashi Maru (spoilers)

Mr. Laser Beam

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Sadly, it looks like the NX-02 will meet its end in the upcoming novel. :( Is the whole reason for this (destroying the Columbia) just because of the Ships Of The Line calendar?

Or was there a directive from 'on high' that the Columbia would be destroyed, and this just happened to manifest itself first in the calendar, then the novel?

Nice to hear that Erika Hernandez won't be killed off, though. I wonder if any of her other crew will survive.
 
Sadly, it looks like the NX-02 will meet its end in the upcoming novel. :( Is the whole reason for this (destroying the Columbia) just because of the Ships Of The Line calendar?

Err, where are you getting this? There's nothing in the Kobayashi Maru cover blurb about Columbia being destroyed or anything else. And all that's been announced is that Columbia is in the book.
 
Sadly, it looks like the NX-02 will meet its end in the upcoming novel. :( Is the whole reason for this (destroying the Columbia) just because of the Ships Of The Line calendar?

Err, where are you getting this? There's nothing in the Kobayashi Maru cover blurb about Columbia being destroyed or anything else. And all that's been announced is that Columbia is in the book.

Given what will eventually happen to that ship (as evidenced from the calendar), plus Hernandez' presence in Destiny, I assumed that the Columbia's destruction would occur in the book.

I mean, the Kobayashi Maru is a pretty volatile situation, innit?

It's the calendar that's got me. If not for that, I would probably not even be thinking about this. But assuming the calendar is canon :lol: , then we know the Columbia must one day be destroyed. Since they're about to get into the Romulan War in a big way...then that might be it.
 
It's got to end up in the Gamma Quadrant, though, doesn't it?

Or was there a directive from 'on high' that the Columbia would be destroyed, and this just happened to manifest itself first in the calendar, then the novel?

Yes, that is exactly what the execs at CBS sit around doing.

"Guys... that NX-02 ship is really pissing me off. Make sure Margaret blows it up in a book or something."
"What's wrong with it?"
"Well, you know... it just sort of looks like an upside down Akira."
"And it's got those retarded looking blinky poles on its bridge."
"Oh, man, yeah, I totally hate those things."
"Tell you what-- how about we blow it up in a calendar, not a book?"
"Dude, that's a great idea! Then I'll just have to look at a picture to see my dream realized! No difficult work like reading involved."
"I'll get on the phone to Margaret right away."
"While you're at it, order her to stick the Borg in every single novel coming out in 2009 and delay the next DS9 relaunch novel until 2010."
"Dude, fandom loves us so much."
 
Given what will eventually happen to that ship (as evidenced from the calendar), plus Hernandez' presence in Destiny, I assumed that the Columbia's destruction would occur in the book.

That assumption is quite a leap. Destiny is set centuries after Kobayashi Maru, regardless of how close together they are in the publishing schedule. Even given that NX-02 is eventually destroyed, there's a large timeframe in which that destruction could eventually occur.

And if you could always guess what was going to happen before actually reading the books, there'd be no point in writing them, would there? ;)

It's the calendar that's got me. If not for that, I would probably not even be thinking about this. But assuming the calendar is canon :lol: , then we know the Columbia must one day be destroyed. Since they're about to get into the Romulan War in a big way...then that might be it.

"Canon" doesn't even enter into discussions of what happens in the book continuity. And "the calendar" is not in continuity, not as a whole. The FX professionals who contribute to the calendar are given the freedom to come up with whatever images fire their imagination, so there is no continuity among them. There are no "directives." These are busy Hollywood FX artists who are being very generous to devote their valuable time and effort to the calendar as a labor of love, so nobody's going to dictate to them what they're allowed to create. If the occasional individual image that comes from an artist's unfettered imagination subsequently inspires a novelist or editor to base a story point upon it, that does not reflect on any calendar art beyond that single image.
 
There are no "directives." These are busy Hollywood FX artists who are being very generous to devote their valuable time and effort to the calendar as a labor of love, so nobody's going to dictate to them what they're allowed to create. If the occasional individual image that comes from an artist's unfettered imagination subsequently inspires a novelist or editor to base a story point upon it, that does not reflect on any calendar art beyond that single image.

And you don't think the authors of Kobayashi Maru might have thought "Hey, there's a calendar page where the Columbia buys it, so let's make it happen"? ;)

Besides, as I said, the Kobayashi Maru event, as such, is special. It's rather "loaded" in terms of significance to the overall Trek arc. And, given that, it's extremely likely that there's gonna be some destruction going on. So why would it be that much of a stretch to remember what happens to the Columbia in the calendar, also remember that the Kobayashi Maru is coming up and so a lot of ships are probably going to be destroyed, and thus suspect that there just might be a connection?

Although, I admit, the thing about the Gamma Quadrant is the fly in the ointment, so to speak. Assuming the book's authors won't want to contradict what happens in the calendar, then they will have to just have the Columbia disappear, not be outright destroyed (since nobody will discover the wormhole for another 200 years).

If, OTOH, what happens in the calendar doesn't have to happen in "real" Trek continuity, then all bets are off. Would they do that? Meaning, would they have the Columbia do something like survive intact and be used as a museum piece in the 24th century? Or be the same Columbia as the one mentioned in "The Cage"? If so, then forget I ever started this damn thread. (Although in that case, the artist who created that calendar page might have something to say about their work being contradicted.)
 
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There are no "directives." These are busy Hollywood FX artists who are being very generous to devote their valuable time and effort to the calendar as a labor of love, so nobody's going to dictate to them what they're allowed to create. If the occasional individual image that comes from an artist's unfettered imagination subsequently inspires a novelist or editor to base a story point upon it, that does not reflect on any calendar art beyond that single image.

And you don't think the authors of Kobayashi Maru might have thought "Hey, there's a calendar page where the Columbia buys it, so let's make it happen"? ;)

I don't have to think what might have been; I know what happens with Columbia. I'm just not telling you, because it would be a spoiler. And it's irrelevant to the point of the quoted paragraph, which is that, even if the author or authors of some book were inspired by Pierre Drolet's wreck-of-Columbia image (or any other calendar image) and chose to base a work of fiction on it, that wouldn't mean "the calendars" as a whole were part of the book continuity, and it certainly wouldn't mean that the editors are telling the calendar artists what to create, which is apparently a common misconception among fans.


Besides, as I said, the Kobayashi Maru event, as such, is special. It's rather "loaded" in terms of significance to the overall Trek arc. And, given that, it's extremely likely that there's gonna be some destruction going on. So why would it be that much of a stretch to remember what happens to the Columbia in the calendar, also remember that the Kobayashi Maru is coming up and so a lot of ships are probably going to be destroyed, and thus suspect that there just might be a connection?

I'm not saying I can't understand why you're jumping to that conclusion. I'm just saying, don't confuse assumption with certainty. As Sherlock Holmes said, "It is a capital mistake to theorize in advance of the facts."


If, OTOH, what happens in the calendar doesn't have to happen in "real" Trek continuity, then all bets are off. Would they do that? Meaning, would they have the Columbia do something like survive intact and be used as a museum piece in the 24th century? Or be the same Columbia as the one mentioned in "The Cage"? If so, then forget I ever started this damn thread.

Exactly. No point investing in speculation that might be scuttled by the facts. Better just to wait and see what actually happens. There's no reason to assume the authors of the novels should be constrained by what the calendar artists create, any more than there is to assume the reverse. We could borrow an idea if we wanted to, but it's not compulsory.

(Although in that case, the artist who created that calendar page might have something to say about their work being contradicted.)

They wouldn't care about that. Creative people create things based on their own imaginations, and they don't begrudge other people having different imaginations. Especially when they're working in two different media! It's bizarre to think that an artist, someone whose concern is creating pictures, would be worried about what gets done by someone telling stories in prose. You're thinking about the calendar images as though they're just a subset or adjunct of what we prose authors do, and frankly that's unfair to the calendar artists. Nothing that happens in the books can possibly diminish the visual impact or beauty of a piece of artwork. And that's what those artists care about. They create those images to have value in themselves, not merely to be illustrations of scenes from a "continuity."

I mean, some of the calendar images are of conjectural ships that have never been suggested to exist or are in their own alternate realities, like Gabriel Koerner's conjectural NCC-1701 redesign (which online idiots have repeatedly misinterpreted as a "leaked" design from the new movie). Some exaggerate scenes from canon, like the image showing the aftermath of "The Ultimate Computer" and portraying the other ships as far more completely devastated than is consistent with the dialogue in the episode. There's even an image showing all the various Enterprises docked side-by-side at a space museum, which is a clear impossibility given that some of them were destroyed. So continuity is not a concern here. As I said, the artists are free to do whatever their own individual imaginations suggest.
 
Judging from the cover of the first destiny Book I think we will read of the events of how the ship came to be destroyed in that Novel, unless that's supposed to be the Enterprise on the front cover.
 
The cover for the first Destiny book that's floating around on the 'net is the marketing placeholder that Pocket sent out.

I can't imagine they would use that cover in reality. Because it's dull. And also because it has the title wrong. :)
 
Dave has emphatically confirmed that it's not even close to the real cover. And frankly I'm at a loss as to why it was even used as a placeholder cover. There aren't any Suliban in Destiny. (And yes, in fact it is Enterprise on the placeholder cover, because it's a reuse of a Jose Perez image from the Ships of the Line calendars -- it's on p. 13 of the SitL book.)
 
This thread should be renamed to Kobayashi Maru (Speculation) not spoilers. I think that is a ridiculously huge leap of logic that it be a given that the Columbia be destroyed in this book. It might happen, it might not. That's speculation, not spoiler.
 
And frankly I'm at a loss as to why it was even used as a placeholder cover.
Well, because they have to use something as a placeholder cover. :)

I can think of one rare instance where the marketing placeholder was better than the real thing. I really liked the placeholder cover designed for the Insurrection novelization, even if it cropped from three different TNG cover images. (The Riker image, as I recall, came from the cover to Planet X. I never bothered figuring out the Picard and Data origins.) Then, the novelization had the dull-as-dishwater movie poster as its cover. Makes me long for the days of, oh, Star Trek III where the cover to the novelization was a piece of artwork unconnected to the film.
 
I can think of one rare instance where the marketing placeholder was better than the real thing. I really liked the placeholder cover designed for the Insurrection novelization, even if it cropped from three different TNG cover images. (The Riker image, as I recall, came from the cover to Planet X. I never bothered figuring out the Picard and Data origins.) Then, the novelization had the dull-as-dishwater movie poster as its cover. Makes me long for the days of, oh, Star Trek III where the cover to the novelization was a piece of artwork unconnected to the film.
I don't suppose there's a copy of that floating around the web anywhere, is there (the Insurrection cover, I mean)?
 
And frankly I'm at a loss as to why it was even used as a placeholder cover.
Well, because they have to use something as a placeholder cover. :)

But why that one? I can think of more appropriate candidates from the calendar art. Unless the intent was to deliberately avoid giving anything away about the actual content of the book, but that seems odd if it was a solicitation cover.
 
I hope The Columbia doesn't get destroyed in Kobayashi Maru. I liked the character of Erika Hernendez alot and was impressed how she and Archer managed to be professional about their past relationship. I'd hope she gets to stick around for some more Enterprise books before running into a calamity.

If the Columbia did get destroyed, though, it wouldn't have to be inspired by the calender. The space shuttle Columbia that the starship was named after was one the first, or one of the first, at least, working space shuttles. It was in service for two decades before tragically breaking up in the atmosphere. It could be that the name has a sort of curse to it. I hope, though, that if the NX Columbia gets destroyed that it goes out in a heroic manner.
 
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