"Forbidden Planet" is based on "The Tempest" but in a very general sense - the resemblance between the play and FP is not nearly as direct as between FP and "The Cage."
Roddenberry was a dirtbag
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"Forbidden Planet" is based on "The Tempest" but in a very general sense - the resemblance between the play and FP is not nearly as direct as between FP and "The Cage."
TheLonelySquire
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really,'
i think the play to forbidden planet is more direct then fp to the cage.
Roddenberry was also a product of his times. He was not not much more different than many of the males in 1940's-60's society: hard drinkin' (like Richard Harris) philanderin' (like god knows who) and pill poppin' too. Hell, read a magazine or see an ad from those years--Ernest Hemingway level stylin' was the thing of the day. To Roddenberry, and many of his comtemporaries--including many of our own dads--this is part of what was thought to be a "real modern man." Not an acceptable excuse, of course, but that's how it is. He acted the way he knew, and the way society allowed him to.
"You wanna know what my vision is???? Doller signs!!! Money!!!! I didn't build this ship to usher in a new era for humanity, you think I wanna go to the stars??? I don't even like to fly!!! I take trains!...I built this ship so that I could retire to some tropical island, filled with....naked women....thats my vision"
Gene is Zephram Cochraine
Gene is Zephram Cochraine
I don't care what Gene's motivations were or what he did when he wasn't making Trek; he helped create an awesome universe that I've enjoyed at least 30 years' worth of. Frankly, I'm more concerned with the lameass hollywood wankers that have their mittens on it now than I am with Gene's life.
number6
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Most of the antics being examined here were going on while he was doing the original series. By the late 70s he had begun to believe his own hype. The result was a lackluster film in 1979 and a dull preachy series in the 80s.
I have no problem with who's handling Trek right now. It sounds like they get it even more than GR did during TNG.
Getting back to the topic of the thread...yeah, Gene was a good guy but he was also a bit of a pain in the neck. Which is one of the main reasons I get don't exactly like it when people gush over Roddenberry and worship him as "THE MAN WE OWE EVERYTHING TO FOR MAKING STAR TREK WHAT IT WAS OMG." Yeah, he had some interesting ideas and thought up a great show, but what made it so powerful and long-lasting was NOT due to Roddenberry. He didn't even write half of the episodes. Star Trek's success was due to the hard-hitting stories and the incredible acting skills therein. If anyone should be worshipped for making Trek was it was (and still is today, despite the best efforts of idiots like Berman and Braga), they should be folks like Harlan Ellison, D.C. Fontana, Marc Daniels, William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy, to name a few. The writers and main actors are what made the show so effective, not Roddenberry.
More shock and teh horror!!!1!!!
You mean that not only was Gene Roddenberry human, but that Star Trek the show was a collaborative effort and there were many talented people involved?! NOT TRUE!
You're joking, but some people on this board act like it was true.You mean that not only was Gene Roddenberry human, but that Star Trek the show was a collaborative effort and there were many talented people involved?! NOT TRUE!
You're joking, but some people on this board act like it was true.You mean that not only was Gene Roddenberry human, but that Star Trek the show was a collaborative effort and there were many talented people involved?! NOT TRUE!
LOL Yes, I laughed when I read Squire's post. I made a TOS music video not too long ago, and at the end I gave my thanks to "Bill Shatner and all the Trek actors." Someone on YouTube had a hissy-fan-fit because I didn't thank "The Great Bird of the Galaxy." I told him what I said in my post above, and he pretty much DID react just the way Squire of Gothos satired.
Whats with the need to demonise and tear down?
Did people think he WAS perfect? or that he DID do it all alone? seriously now no jokes, did anyone really think that?
Did people think he WAS perfect? or that he DID do it all alone? seriously now no jokes, did anyone really think that?
If you read the other posts, you'd see that we've already established that yes, some people DO think just that. Like EEE pointed out, a lot of the documentaries and such about Star Trek also help to make Roddenberry look like a saint / god. It's just about gotten to the point that you aren't considered a true Trek fan unless you slavishly worship the sky in which Gene's ashes were scattered and call him the Great Bird of the Galaxy.
Why should the documentaries go into his personal life? Should they not stick to his professional accomplishments?
trevanian
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When you're fucking people you employ while on company time in company offices, how do you separate the personal from the (un)professional?
He fucked other employees in the office? My opinion of him just went up
trevanian
Rear Admiral
Your professional opinion or your personal opinion?
This has been said to death: GR was not that different from Hollywood producers or directors from the past to the present day.
He believed his own press: Again, pretty common behavior.
Hollywood (Just MHO only speculation from reading) is a culture that makes sure the successful have no perspective. Even a grade B celebrity has a personal shopper, publicist, and a host of well paid synchophants. In the real world people aren't any better. It's just that any kind of abuse of any nature is going to be stopped with a swift kick in the behind from society. You will not be shielded from it. GR was in all probability no different from the rest.
He believed his own press: Again, pretty common behavior.
Hollywood (Just MHO only speculation from reading) is a culture that makes sure the successful have no perspective. Even a grade B celebrity has a personal shopper, publicist, and a host of well paid synchophants. In the real world people aren't any better. It's just that any kind of abuse of any nature is going to be stopped with a swift kick in the behind from society. You will not be shielded from it. GR was in all probability no different from the rest.
