I don’t think it is my overriding focus. Definitely want engaging stories. Same time, if I hadn’t “bought into” the physical universe as presented I likely wouldn’t have the love of Trek that I do.
I don’t think it is my overriding focus. Definitely want engaging stories. Same time, if I hadn’t “bought into” the physical universe as presented I likely wouldn’t have the love of Trek that I do.
I wasn’t singling you out specifically. Apologies if it came off that way. And when I was 12, I lived for the Treknology and the starships. Hell, I still collect BTS books. My Art of Star Wars collection is rather large (but sadly incomplete) and I’ve been collecting the Trek movie books from Titan Books. Working from home, sometimes I’ll just grab one off of my shelf and thumb through it just looking at the amazing process people have gone through to make the shows and movies I love. But when I’m watching, I try to be more engrossed by the story.
I absolutely believe this. I also absolutely believe that both of those creators strove to to make their work look as convincingly realistic and futuristic as possible with the time, resources and funds made available to them at the time. They were looking forward, so why should those who follow them be looking back?
Gene Roddenberry certainly didn't, or we would have gotten the plywood Enterprise and smooth-headed Klingons in Star Trek The Motion Picture.
Sure, Trials and Tribulations and In a Mirror Darkly both worked, but they were both nostalgia plays. I don't see a regular Star Trek series going forward even back then being taken seriously with that aesthetic.
Speaking for myself, I've never had the slightest problem in believing that the Enterprise bridge that we saw in Discovery and Strange New Worlds was the same bridge that we saw in the original series. In fact, when we first saw the set at the end of Discovery season 2, it sent chills down my spine. It was like coming home after a long time.
ETA -- also what @CampBOO! said about the story
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Its theres to don with whatever they please.
Most people probably settle somewhere in between. Yes, it is subjective in a way; everyone can decide for themselves what's valid including books, games and fanfics, but this is clearly not what this thread is about.
Oh wow, never heard that shit before.
Ok. What is the chance of a Picard spinoff?
It is according to all official sources. Because Akiva Goldsman says so. Ok, got it. They must not have gotten that memo in the Lower Decks crossover episode. That memo was lost with the same one that slipped by the people who show the USS New Jersey as a TOS Constitution Class ship in Picard...www.trekbbs.com
It was also addressed here in post #4. You are not interested in having a serious debate; you are trying to push your anti-NuTrek agenda.
All im saying is they left room to make it an alternate. The romulans created an alternate universe
Most people probably settle somewhere in between. Yes, it is subjective in a way; everyone can decide for themselves what's valid including books, games and fanfics, but this is clearly not what this thread is about.
Oh wow, never heard that shit before.
Ok. What is the chance of a Picard spinoff?
It is according to all official sources. Because Akiva Goldsman says so. Ok, got it. They must not have gotten that memo in the Lower Decks crossover episode. That memo was lost with the same one that slipped by the people who show the USS New Jersey as a TOS Constitution Class ship in Picard...
It was also addressed here in post #4. You are not interested in having a serious debate; you are trying to push your anti-NuTrek agenda.
Im just talking about the possibility. Having SNW as a alternate reality makes it easier for them to tell whatever story they want and change things later down the road if they continue the STD/ SNW stories. Its easier when they don't need to follow prime canon.
I think SNW has done about as respectable job as one could do bringing designs forward sixty years. Well, except for those pylons.
But there is a disconnect for me. That 60’s look is distinct and I can’t see the two coexisting the way some folks do.
But there is a disconnect for me. That 60’s look is distinct and I can’t see the two coexisting the way some folks do.
We had that with the Kelvin movies and it fell flat. The alternate reality changes in regards to SNW are limited to Space Seed and Khan's one line of dialogue about "Botany Bay being lost in space in 1996" in WoK.
Everything else is pure prime timeline. The only "wiggle room" is the "TOS always looked like SNW" narrative which I personally don't follow (as that would make the entirety of TOS an "alternate timeline" cosmetically) and stick to the narrative that the ship was refit between SNW and TOS. (If it helps, IDW also stated a refit as an explanation in one of their comics)
Im pretty much a stickler for canon. Too many things like Spock mind melding with Kirk in SNW but later in the TOS episode Dagger of the Mind he says its his first time melding with a human and it could be dangerous. Things like that are errors that are pretty huge. That episode showcased the mind meld for the first time. Its pretty memorable.
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If it were a "real world" scenario, everything about those years would change by moving a conflict fifty years. The universe in the 23rd century would likely be unrecognizable.
The correct answer is:
Officially: No, SNW is not in a different universe.
Unofficially: It can be whatever you want and no one can stop you.
It’s not a Flat-Earth type of situation where it would be ridiculous to say the latter. Personally, if I was the kind of person who liked to figure out which made-up things are more ‘real’ than other made-up things I’d opt for the latter.
What’s more important though is if I enjoy the shows or not.
There will never be a consensus and ultimately it doesn’t matter. My wife’s happiness, the health of my pets, a steady income… these are the things that matter to me.
Officially: No, SNW is not in a different universe.
Unofficially: It can be whatever you want and no one can stop you.
It’s not a Flat-Earth type of situation where it would be ridiculous to say the latter. Personally, if I was the kind of person who liked to figure out which made-up things are more ‘real’ than other made-up things I’d opt for the latter.
What’s more important though is if I enjoy the shows or not.
There will never be a consensus and ultimately it doesn’t matter. My wife’s happiness, the health of my pets, a steady income… these are the things that matter to me.
That should be the most important thing. In a world that already consumes us all, why not have fun where we can have fun.
For me, it boils down to - when I'm watching TOS, the mid-23rd century looks like it was produced in the 1960s. When I'm watching SNW or Discovery, the mid-23rd century looks like it was produced in the 2010s/2020s.
I love the aesthetics of Trek. Of all Trek. I became an artist because of Lora Johnson and her work in Mr. Scott's Guide. But, I can roll with the visual changes when the need arises. I think both designs can live in my mind at the same time, and I can paper over it as need be.
There is no such thing as "the only wiggle room".
Of course not. There’ve been at least six Wiggles (possibly more) with four of them active at any given time. Logically, there can’t be “only one”. That’s just science.
And they wear Starfleet duty shirts!
I mean, it really boils down to whether you want to be like Dulmer and Lucsly from DS9's Temporal Investigations about it "We're living in an alternate timeline right now!" or you want to be like Homer Simpson about it "Eh close enough" per https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CloseEnoughTimeline , and whether you define "prime timeline" under Dulmer and Lucsly's rigid terms (in which case they'd probably consider every time travel episode an alternate timeline) or under Homer's terms (it's all the same or close enough to not matter)
I have to admit some days I feel differently. Sometimes I feel like Dulmer/Lucsly and other times I feel like Homer Simpson in regards to Trek.
I have to admit some days I feel differently. Sometimes I feel like Dulmer/Lucsly and other times I feel like Homer Simpson in regards to Trek.
The Constitution was almost surely because they already had the high definition CGI model built and didn't want to spend the money to make a new one.
They literally explain it in Prodigy.
Time only changes if one of the big dominoes are removed, otherwise it just equals out.
I'm not sure what you're talking about. They had the Discoprise asset from SNW to use if they wanted, but they deliberately chose to create a TOS Constitution class for the New Jersey instead, most likely because that's what fans of TNG would have recognized instead of John Eaves's version.
Lower Decks has depicted both the SNW and TOS versions of the classic Enterprise.
And PRO depicted only the TOS Connie. Two showed up in one educational hologram, in fact.
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