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First Contact Criticisms

The "of Alpha Centauri" could just mean something like "Alpha Centauri Institute" or whatever. I'm surprised that Enterprise never canonized anything like that onscreen.

Despite its success, First Contact isn't going to age well (not least when we actually get to 2063 but that's another thing entirely). It already screams "1990s production" even though it takes place in 2063--when Geordi says "I wish I had a picture of this" while holding a PADD, he should honestly just take a photo of Cochrane with the PADD and tell him about the statute then. The implication is the PADD can't take photos, despite our real world tablets well before 2063, forget about the 24th century, being very much able to take photos.
 
If I may…

6- the character of zefram cochrane is NOTHING like that from tos. I can’t see the movie character ever evolving into the one from the show…..

(Yes, it’s a pet peeve)

I agree. Also, the SNW character of Pike is nothing like that from TOS either, and I can’t see the guy from ‘The Cage’ evolving into the guy from SNW.

Granted these are fictional characters whose attributes are solely at the whims of whoever is writing them. But in Cochrane’s case, as in Pike’s, I believe it was more that the writers decided to just turn the character into something they were really never meant to be in order for their story to work, rather than any kind of serious character development based on what we already knew.
 
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The "of Alpha Centauri" could just mean something like "Alpha Centauri Institute" or whatever.
Sure, except it doesn't. Or Gene Coon would have added the extra word or two. They obviously meant he was born or from there. Moor and Braga just chose to ignore that.

I'm surprised that Enterprise never canonized anything like that onscreen.
Because they made the choice to ignore it and stuck with it.
 
So I re-watched First Contact this evening. I still think it is a nearly perfect Trek film and certainly the best of the TNG films. I think Jonathan Frakes is a wonderful director, the script is extremely well-written, the visual effects are excellent, and Jerry Goldsmith delivers a masterful score as always. In watching it again, there were only two things that jumped out at me, as they have in the past, as criticisms I have:

1. The confrontation with Picard in the observation lounge absolutely should have been Crusher. Not only would it have given her a more significant role to play in the film, but it would have been appropriate given the history of those two characters.

2. It really bugs me every time that Picard says "make it so" instead of "engage" at the end of the film.

That's it. Those are my criticisms. :)

Thoughts?

My first thought is that the following is solely IMHO, so YMMV:

First, the good: Jerry Goldsmith's music, Alice Krige, and Alfre Woodard excel and making me buy into this film far more than it deserves (Disclaimer: Yep, this 1996 entry is not my favorite of the four...)

It felt like a cast reunion party with jokes galore, even 4th wall faff that even TVH didn't try*, but having grew up on the 80s Kirk movies that catapulted Trek into brave new directions where the character content was stronger than any plot nitpicks, I was expecting TNG to have been even better onscreen. (IMHO) They weren't**.

FC's plotting doesn't make structural sense***, even contradicting itself in the middle of the same scene - ostensibly for a big dramatic moment****, which doesn't land. One needn't be Plinkett either to be cataloging the problems and being taken out of the movie by all of those. I'd even walked out of the theater during second viewing as well, it was just so - incoming unpopular opinion - dumb. Felt like a big budget monster invasion B-flick, like cheesy horror but with gobs of money thrown at it (the climbing through the ventilation Jeffries tubes with scary thing right on cue being one easy example of this), complete with big plastic engine room set that doesn't look convincing, and it's the one time they have a main viewer that is cloakable on command because "big movie cool". Style over substance defines the TNG movies too easily... the Borg POV is as impressive as it is bizarre as all the distortions would make it harder for them to do their work too... (it's making more grateful when VOY did Borg episodes better, even with the Queen!)


* But "City at the Edge of Forever", with Edith spoonfeeding so much that's so much on the nose that even a seal couldn't balance it in any entertaining way, we get it. (Or the officer in "Little Green Men" too, but at least LGM and FC were camping it up so it's not as bad, and all these examples are few and far between anyway)​
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** Which is why PIC season 3 is so good IMHO, they took the central tenets of the characters and did something bigger that felt big-screen worthy many times, and they all had military training and have all used phasers before so why some people claim they're zapping phasers makes no sense makes no sense, but before I digress...​
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*** None of the four feels grounded in any significant ways or taking characters in big new directions that aren't cheesy, but GEN always came closest to feeling proper big-screen Trek, but this one manages to wreck itself several times over even before the magical time travel portal opens (which then wrecks it again!! Hell, even the Nexus and Picard's fantasy of tending to children had more tangible dramatic agency as the movie revealed how his avoiding family cost him in other ways and give me the meat from TNG over all the rest any day, but I digress...)​
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**** One example is how they tell us about the peril of hitting the deflector dish all while a bunch of Borg are walking on it in slow motion, only to shoot with perfect precision a second or two later, and it doesn't feel like it's a big urgent deal where they had no real choice (they had plenty of time to lure anyone traipsing toward them away and then zappyzap then...) Plus, blowing up the dish and they're fresh out of those, would make getting back to the 24th century a lot more difficult given what the dish is supposed to do​
 
Sure, except it doesn't. Or Gene Coon would have added the extra word or two. They obviously meant he was born or from there. Moor and Braga just chose to ignore that.
Yeah, like the famous World War I hero, Lawrence of Wales.

(I remembered another famous example of a topographical epithet that wasn't where the person originated from a few days ago, but I can't bring it to mind or look it up and its driving me nuts.)
 
Not a fan. Not only did it undo all the trauma worked out previously with Hugh, etc it just made no sense. I hate the time travel angle and completely unnecessary retcons (Borg queen, Cochrane, etc).

A far better movie would have been the whole moving being a Midway style retelling of the Battle of the Sector 001 with multiple (dozen at least) Borg cubes have Starfleet actually destroying many of them with multiple Defiants, though at heavy cost including some kamikaze runs, Klingons showing up to help, shifting strategy as they grind their way closer and closer.
 
When you realize they were remaking Aliens with Star Trek, First Contact makes a lot more sense. Which is funny because I saw First Contact before I ever saw Aliens, so it's a bit reversed in my brain lol.
 
A far better movie would have been the whole moving being a Midway style retelling of the Battle of the Sector 001 with multiple (dozen at least) Borg cubes have Starfleet actually destroying many of them with multiple Defiants, though at heavy cost including some kamikaze runs, Klingons showing up to help, shifting strategy as they grind their way closer and closer.
I read a purported plot outline on Usenet back in 1995 about how the next Star Trek film was going to be very similar to this. Riker was captain of Enterprise-E, Data was his first officer, and Admiral Picard's flagship was the USS James Kirk. There was a big battle with Borg, some of it happened in a nebula, and I don't really remember anything else. No time travel, no Borg Queen, just fighting the Borg invasion of the Alpha Quadrant.

I just spent an hour seeing if I could locate this online anywhere, but alas. It was probably something some fan made up. Now it's lost to the mists of time.
 
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Not a fan. Not only did it undo all the trauma worked out previously with Hugh, etc it just made no sense. I hate the time travel angle and completely unnecessary retcons (Borg queen, Cochrane, etc).

A far better movie would have been the whole moving being a Midway style retelling of the Battle of the Sector 001 with multiple (dozen at least) Borg cubes have Starfleet actually destroying many of them with multiple Defiants, though at heavy cost including some kamikaze runs, Klingons showing up to help, shifting strategy as they grind their way closer and closer.

I’ve always felt that if they were going to do a Borg invasion movie, they should a Borg invasion movie — with the excellent first ten minutes or so being the model for most of the film. But of course that would have been tons more expensive.
 
I read a purported plot outline on Usenet back in 1995 about how the next Star Trek film was going to be very similar to this. Riker was captain of Enterprise-E, Data was his first officer, and Admiral Picard's flagship was the USS James Kirk. There was a big battle with Borg, some of it happened in a nebula, and I don't really remember anything else. No time travel, no Borg Queen, just fighting the Borg invasion of the Alpha Quadrant.

I just spent an hour seeing if I could locate this online anywhere, but alas. It was probably something some fan made up. Now it's lost to the mists of time.
Thought I remembered seeing detail about that on Memory Alpha including a reference to 47 or something like that for the number of Borg cubes but couldn't find it earlier.

Definitely a running battle. Forget how I kinda rolled my eyes at Picard taking command of the fleet and saving the day, and makes the "Badmiral" issue even worse along the inconsistency of the time jump if they're on the neutral zone when the battle starts then Picard disobeys orders and makes it there anyway before the battle is even over. For a single battle around Earth that doesn't make any sense at all. If it was a running battle from the outer system, if not even Alpha or Proxima Centauri or something like that then we could maybe explain it, but Enterprise E could have been anywhere even Vulcan or Andor and have the dialogue make more sense.
 
I’ve always felt that if they were going to do a Borg invasion movie, they should a Borg invasion movie — with the excellent first ten minutes or so being the model for most of the film. But of course that would have been tons more expensive.
It doesn't have to be, though with a good screenplay and most of the movie would still be drama and dialogue.. Much of the movie could be showing how the crews on different ships are dealing with it (using the same sets). Repairing damage. Stacks of bodies being given rapid space funerals (cue the WW2 stills of bodies being given burial at sea off the USS Intrepid after a Kamikaze attack in 1944). Instead of Cochrane getting drunk it's an engineer on another ship trying to drown his PTSD, etc etc.

Desperation growing as the Borg get closer. Perhaps they have to make a strategic decision to allow the Borg to assimilate a colony around one of the moons of Saturn while they regroup around Mars or something like that. Much of this could be comm traffic as much as shown on scene in SFX shots.
 
Thought I remembered seeing detail about that on Memory Alpha including a reference to 47 or something like that for the number of Borg cubes but couldn't find it earlier.
I found what I was thinking of, from a Usenet post from November 11, 1995. Reading the first two paragraphs now, yeah, this is total bullpucky. I simply cannot see the studio greenlighting something like this.

One element, Picard becoming Locutus again, would turn up in J.M. Dillard's novel, Resistance.

I'll post it under spoiler tags.

This is a RePost for all of you who missed it the first time and have been requesting to see it again. The authenticity of this synopsis is highly speculative. The original post never included a scource but it seems to incorporate all the rumors of plot elements that have been leaked from people at Paramount and are circulating on this newsgroup. Opinions about it's authenticity seem to be evenly split amongst people on this newsgroup. I tend to think that it may be the "real McCoy". It's fun reading, anyhow and would make for a great movie.

Tentatively scheduled for Thanksgiving '96, the next StarTrek movie (ST8) is currently being called "The Last Stand" - referring of course to the Borg invasion of Federation Space. The following is only a general synopsis of the "working copy" of the script. Many of the details in the script were sketchy and many things are still expected to change.

The movie will open with a fleet of Borg ships (new and old) ariving through the Wormhole by DS9. This comes as a surprise to the Federation who have been preparing for the Borg arrival from the Delta Quadrant. DS9 feebly attempts to hinder the Borg, but their efforts are in vain. The Borg effortlessly dissable DS9's defenses, leaving the space station helpless and adrift. During the Borg attack, however, Captain Sisko is able to evacuate all personal to the surface of Bajor. Deciding that he should stay behind with his people, Sisko orders Worf to take the Defiant to Earth to try to warn the Federation of the Borg's arrival. The Borg leave a few ships in orbit around Bajor, but it seems that their interest lie primarily in penetrating deeper into Federation space. Worf is met with little resistance from the orbiting Borg ships as he leaves DS9 following the main Borg fleet toward Earth.

Upon reaching Earth, Worf finds StarFleet and Borg ships engaged in battle. Realizing that StarFleet defenses have been caught off guard and are heavily outmathed, Worf joins the heat of battle. The Defiant is under heavy attack and it shields dissabled. Worf sets a kahmikaze course toward a Borg vessel, but is suddenly beamed out of the fiery Defiant moments before it collides. In dismay, Worf finds himself on the Starship James Kirk and is greeted by Admiral Picard who informs them that it is too late - further resistance is futile. The James Kirk is badly damaged but manages to lead a group of transport ships and other vessels away from the Solar System in retreat. Several Borg ships attempt to follow, but Picard is able to destroy them and the fleet warps off to safety. A sullen Admiral Picard then transmits an emergency coded starfleet message for all remaining Federation vessels to rendaveous in the Badlands.

Out in deep space on their first mission with the Enterprise-E, Captain Riker and First Officer Data receive Picard's encoded message and immediately set course for the Badlands. They arrive days later and are met with suspicion by Maquis scout ships on the outer fringes of the Badlands. The scout ships then lead them further into the heart of the Badlands where they discover a refugee camp of sorts comprised of various battle damaged Starships and other vessels. Amongst the Federation ships Riker and Data observe Cardassian, Vulcan, Maquis and many other non-federation ships. Data concludes that the Borg invasion must have been an all out invasion of all races in the Alpha Quadrant, not just Earth. Their darkened spirits are lifted for a moment when they receive a hail from Admiral Picard who then beams aboard the Enterprise to great Riker.

Their welcoming is subdued, however, as Riker notices the worry on Picard's face. Picard informs Riker that there is much that they need to discuss. In a private discussion in Riker's ready room, Picard informs him that it is merely a matter of time before the Borg discover their hiding place in the Badlands. In an attempt to organize this ragtag fleet of multi-racial starships, Picard was nominated as leader. Picard relates to Riker that he has extreme doubts about his ability at such a weighty position. He does not want sole responsible of the future of civilization. Suddenly, an emergency message comes through that Klingon warships have just entered the Badlands seeking refuge. Furthermore, the Klingons bring news that the Klingon Home World was ovverun and Gowron himself was assimilated. As they speak, the Klingon Ships come under fire from three decloaking Klingon Attack Cruisers. A Borgified Gowron hails the refugee fleet to announce that they will all be assimilated. Picard gives the order and Riker engages the Enterprise-E into battle. With the help of the refugee Klingon ships, Riker is able to destroy Gowron's fleet, but the victory is an empty one.

In a scene on board the damaged James Kirk, Picard is sitting solemnly by himself in the crew lounge. He is alone in the darkness feeling the responsibility of his position when a hand softly caresses his cheek. It is the hand of Beverly Crusher. Picard looks at her in shock and states his amazement at her being alive. She informs him she just arrived with the Klingon fleet. The starship she was serving on had been on it's way to the Badlands when they were intercepted by Borg scout ships. Their death was imenant when suddenly the Klingons decloaked and changed the tables. Although the warp drive on her StarShip was destroyed, the Klingons offered to take them on board in exchange for knowledge of where they were fleeing. Besides, she said, I could never stay away from you very long.

Moments before meeting with the commanders of the other vessels, Picard calls together his comrades from the original Enterprise-D. He tells them that it is good to see them all again, but that this may be the last time. For the first time in many years there is no clear road to travel. There clear choice to choose. "I am an explorer," he tells them, "not a warrior." The meeting commenses with the commanders and crew. Bitter arguing ensues between those who want to fight and those who want to flee. Picard is quiet but eventually controls everyone's attention when he offers a third option. Perhaps as Locutus he may still have some sway over the Borg. It may be possible that he could retain enough of his own will to ... But Crusher would not hear him out. She radically objected, saying that although such an operation may be possible, the Borg consiousness would quickly overrun any free will that an individual might have. Besides, Jean-Luc is needed here. Picard conceited, reaching the conclusion the he thought it would be best to retreat. Many at the table, including Worf, audibly objected to this, but Picard had made his decision. On his way from the meeting, Picard whispered something to LaForge whom had been listening by the door.

On various ships and in various corners, there are rising levels of dissent against Picard's ultamatum. Many Starfleet officers join Maquis and Klingon divisions in planning an attack on the Borg - Worf is amongst them. Picard, although largely unaware, gets wind of this faction and pulls Worf aside. Picard tells him that there is a time to fight and a time to retreat - and Picard is not sure what time they are facing now. But, he concludes, urge your people to have patience.

As the fleet begins to leave the Badlands, a singular ship turns and heads toward earth, it is the Starship James Kirk with Geordi at the helm. Riker onboard the Enterprise demands an explanation. It seems that Picard went through with his plan of Borgifying himself - as did many other participants whom were all on board. Geordi did not have time to explain the details but insisted that Picard's last wish was for the fleet to continue on its course. With a troubled face and tearse eyes Riker bids Geordi well and continues as leader of the fleet.

A visually upset Beverly Crusher leaves the bridge and beams over to Worf's vessel. She explains to Worf the situation and begs him to pursue - they can not let the Captain do this to himself. Beverly appeals to the crew on board bridge and Worf is won over. Hailing the other "sympathetic" ships, Worf belows that "Now is the time!". Worf sets a new heading following the James Kirk. As Worf and Beverly warp out of sight, Riker once again comes on the veiw screen demanding an explanation. He is answered by a warrior-clad Worf who informs him that many of "us" would rather die in battle than flee. More and more ships begin to peel off from the pack to pursue Worf. With nearly a third of his fleet gone, Riker is ill-prepared to face any encounter with the Borg. Faced with the delema of following through with Picard's last wish for the fleet to retreat, or turning back to fight, Riker chooses the latter and follows Worf into battle.

Onboard the James Kirk, we see Geordi make the final touches to Locutus and a sickbay full of other Borgified crewman. As tears roll out from beneath his VISOR, Geordi holds Picards human hand and says "God save us all." Slowly, Locutus begins to awaken and Geordi lets go. Locutus sits up and begins to contact the Borg consiousness. As Geordi leaves sickbay, the small group of Borg are transported on board the Borg MotherShip.

Meanwhile, near Earth, Beverly and Worf catch up with the James Kirk which does not respond to their hails. The nearby Borg mothership begins to fire on Worf's ship. The crew take evasive maneuvers and attempt to fight back, but the Borg weapons are too powerful. A hail from Geordi tells them to lower their sheilds and beam over. Just as they do their ship is destroyed, but Geordi has them safely on board the James Kirk. Geordi informs Crusher that they must leave immediately. Picard and the other Borgified crew members were volunteers on a suicide mission. They were surgically implanted with antimatter discharges timed to explode shortly after connecting to the Borg consiousness. Crusher locates Picard on board the Borg vessel and beams to his location.

Outside the Borg ship, the ragtag fleet arives and opens fire on the Borg. Other Borg ships come to the aid of their MotherShip. In the heat of battle, Geordi informs Riker that the MotherShip will explode in a matter of minutes. Riker alerts the fleet to this and they attempt to "push" the other Borg ships into a defensive stance around the MotherShip.

Inside the Borg MotherShip, an emotional Crusher pleads with Picard to listen to her. Don't let them overrun your humanness. The one thing that they cannot stop is love. "I love you Jean-Luc", she cries. We see Picard's face contort as he is fighting for control. She grabs his hand. I love you. Don't leave me, she cries again and again. In a fit of convulsions Picard falls to the ground. "We...I...We...," he struggles. Standing up again Picard reaches with his mechanical arm and wipes a tear off of Beverly's cheek - and reaffirms her love. At this moment outside the Borg ship, all weapons fire against Riker's fleet comes to a halt. Borg shields lower.

Holding Picard in her arms, Beverly beams back to the James Kirk. Seconds later the MotherShip explodes taking with it many of the other Borg ships nearby. The other Borg vessels drift in confusion as the emotion of love percolates through the collective. Riker's fleet fires relentlessly at the Borg destroying them all.

A final scene on Earth shows a destroyed StarFleet headquarters. In sort of a make shift hospital, Beverly tends to Picard who talks to Riker on a view screen. With this new unified fleet, Riker and his counterparts are slowly attempting to chase the Borg back out of the Alpha Quadrant.

From Space, we see the Enterprise-E and a new fleet of joint ships (Romulan, Klingon, Cardassian) jump to warp.
 
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In late 1995, I thought the purported plot sounded awesome. Rereading it today, after scouring the web, I thought, "A fan wrote this. This is fanwanky as hell." I couldn't see the studio commissioning a movie like this (because I doubt it would get an audience outside of the Trek audience), nor could I see Patrick Stewart agreeing to it (because he wanted to be Action Guy, and Admiral Picard is not Action Guy in this). I will say this for whoever wrote it--it has stayed in my head, at least in fragmentary form, for thirty years, so cheers.
 
I like the idea of bringing in DS9 on the big screen and the scale of the invasion. Not as much of the rest of that on the specifics, though probably still better than First Contact overall.
 
Not a fan. Not only did it undo all the trauma worked out previously with Hugh, etc it just made no sense. I hate the time travel angle and completely unnecessary retcons (Borg queen, Cochrane, etc).

A recent re-watch of "Metamorphosis" had a line that clicked for me, about the Companion fritter rejuvenating him then halting his aging process. In that angle, Cochrane's backstory isn't too muddled - though Spock still gets to tell Cochrane of the future after Geordi had, but the time travel element* was such a cheap gimmick and felt that way back in 1996 as well. The retconning, complete with gaslighting one-liners about 3D thinking terms** doesn't help when the ending***, **** has the Queen standing around waiting for the dumb cable/vine action scene followed up with Jean-Luc McClane snapping her metal spine in half and then all the shiny red LEDs fade out as he throws it down, instead of keeping it for study or anything.
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* even without the benefit of the promotionals with actors hyping up time travel, which wasn't needed but in all fairness I did like they didn't end up in 1996 to compound the gimmicky even worse​
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** there were better ways they could introduce her, if they even needed to, without throwaway "oooh and awe" one-liners that don't hold up whatsoever****​
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*** which is also a mess regarding multiple motivations and conveniences, but it's all about the spectacle and gimmick about "Watch your future's end"​
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**** never mind she could have scarpered with more of that shiny 66-degree thinking if she'd really wanted to because she's 3 better than Picard's 3-D thinking too​
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A far better movie would have been the whole moving being a Midway style retelling of the Battle of the Sector 001 with multiple (dozen at least) Borg cubes have Starfleet actually destroying many of them with multiple Defiants, though at heavy cost including some kamikaze runs, Klingons showing up to help, shifting strategy as they grind their way closer and closer.
 
In late 1995, I thought the purported plot sounded awesome. Rereading it today, after scouring the web, I thought, "A fan wrote this. This is fanwanky as hell." I couldn't see the studio commissioning a movie like this (because I doubt it would get an audience outside of the Trek audience), nor could I see Patrick Stewart agreeing to it (because he wanted to be Action Guy, and Admiral Picard is not Action Guy in this). I will say this for whoever wrote it--it has stayed in my head, at least in fragmentary form, for thirty years, so cheers.

Heck, even some Trek fans felt it was too small-universe, gimmicky, so out of character, etc. The franchise, back then, had something like 12 million viewers devoted to anything Picard and while the makers would always want to grow the fanbase more, if the goal is to dedicate something solely to fans, they're going to spot the gimmicks and plot whoopsies a lot sooner than general audiences who may or may not get into the franchise (much less check into the movie, try out the TV show - regardless of season - then puke out "WTF" for the TV show being so different, but before I really digress...)
 
my biggest criticism:

exactly WHEN did starfleet develop a weapon (quantum topedoes?) that could take down a borg cube?

wasn't it the entire premise that they were powerless against them (by conventional means/weapons)?

If you can just launch a couple of these torpedoes at them, where is the threat?

the biggest problem is that the opening battle completely undermined Wolf 359
 
my biggest criticism:

exactly WHEN did starfleet develop a weapon (quantum topedoes?) that could take down a borg cube?

wasn't it the entire premise that they were powerless against them (by conventional means/weapons)?

If you can just launch a couple of these torpedoes at them, where is the threat?

the biggest problem is that the opening battle completely undermined Wolf 359
Wut? It took way more than a few new torpedoes to take down the cube. And Starfleet was getting its ass kicked before the Enterprise showed up. Picard and his connection to the Borg were the key to that victory.

As for the sphere getting destroyed by a torpedo volley. That's a weird one, yeah. Maybe the sphere was damaged while sitting in the cube as it was being pummeled.
 
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