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Spoilers Russell T. Davies' Second Turn as Doctor Who Showrunner

Something I saw on Twitter yesterday:

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A quick thought on this fan's idea.

The second Wilderness Era will be nothing like the first. Yes, the Fugitive Doctor as "the face of the franchise" is a cool concept. I'd like that myself. But Big Finish, which is where the bulk of the tie-in activity is now, is diffuse in focus and doesn't have a "face," and novels and comics are niche and irregular. The media tie-in landscape, as relates to Doctor Who, is in a very different place than it was thirty-five years ago.
I’m so happy Jo is the face of Circuit Breaker! With UNIT

But the Fourteenth Doctor is sitting in the garden and whether you like it or not Tennant’s face sells. I know a couple of fan projects already using him
 
I’m so happy Jo is the face of Circuit Breaker! With UNIT

But the Fourteenth Doctor is sitting in the garden and whether you like it or not Tennant’s face sells. I know a couple of fan projects already using him

The more she’s worked into regular continuity elements the weirder it seems though. Especially when theres already that overt CIA stuff in place.
 
Kindle exists.
And is really cheaper than reading paperbacks. Sort of.

I think my book buying must be at least 75% digital these days (more Kobo than Kindle), but while I need to declutter, there are some things I think of as collections and keep getting in print, like Doctor Who and Star Trek. Though even there I buy some things digitally, like the comics.
 
I would love to be a print only buyer still but Kindle is just so damm convenient space wise and in the UK there is definitely a price advantage. I read a lot of history/biographies and they're often deeply discounted on Kindle.

DC Finest's are the one thing that have brought me back to print as they weren't available digitally.
 
I think my book buying must be at least 75% digital these days (more Kobo than Kindle), but while I need to declutter, there are some things I think of as collections and keep getting in print, like Doctor Who and Star Trek. Though even there I buy some things digitally, like the comics.

I only got back into reading trek because some of the Destiny books were in sale.

That I then religiously bought them, and followed all the various bits, and went back and forth, only to be metaphorically kicked in the nads when they didn’t finish anything except with that nihilistic coda nonsense (and the Control nonsense a bit earlier) is something I wish I had known when I started.

On the plus side, instead of a shelf load of books i get annoyed looking at, I have a folder I can mostly ignore.

I only have a few Who books on kindle, but most everything post the EDAs never really landed for me anyway, and I didn’t really bother.
 
It occurred to me that while I was browsing the Sci-Fi section at B&N yesterday, I don't think I saw a single Dr. Who novel on the shelves.

They had some oversize coffee table books, but that was it.

I can remember during the peak Tennant years there would be one or two rows of Dr. Who novels.

Even during the Wilderness Years, B&N and Borders would have one row for New Adventures and one row for Missing Adventures.​
 
It occurred to me that while I was browsing the Sci-Fi section at B&N yesterday, I don't think I saw a single Dr. Who novel on the shelves.

They had some oversize coffee table books, but that was it.

I can remember during the peak Tennant years there would be one or two rows of Dr. Who novels.

Even during the Wilderness Years, B&N and Borders would have one row for New Adventures and one row for Missing Adventures.​

Early 2ks, just before the show came back on air there was always a good thirty or so novels in the Who section at Borders. And they always had the latest two or three.
 
Early 2ks, just before the show came back on air there was always a good thirty or so novels in the Who section at Borders. And they always had the latest two or three.
eBooks hadn't really taken off yet. They were available, but most people still read physical books.

I do remember around 2012-2013 that some writers started panicking about eBooks since they were priced so much cheaper than the alternatives.

But definitely during the early 2000s, Doctor Who books were always available in book stores when I went to them at lunch or before watching a film at a theatre. For some reason back then, there was always a book store near whatever theatre I was going to to watch a film.
 
eBooks hadn't really taken off yet. They were available, but most people still read physical books.

I do remember around 2012-2013 that some writers started panicking about eBooks since they were priced so much cheaper than the alternatives.

But definitely during the early 2000s, Doctor Who books were always available in book stores when I went to them at lunch or before watching a film at a theatre. For some reason back then, there was always a book store near whatever theatre I was going to to watch a film.

We don’t even get many ebooks now. I grant I don’t pay massive attention, but aside from sideways books like the Amy one, the mainline aimed at adults books are much diminished. They got in bug name authors to do a few, and there was the Tinelord victorious stuff, but aside from the recent reboot of Target novels, it was a bit thin on the ground for a few years.

Saying that I did read Krikkitmen recently, so should probably try the Scratchman one.
 
We don’t even get many ebooks now. I grant I don’t pay massive attention, but aside from sideways books like the Amy one, the mainline aimed at adults books are much diminished. They got in bug name authors to do a few, and there was the Tinelord victorious stuff, but aside from the recent reboot of Target novels, it was a bit thin on the ground for a few years.

Saying that I did read Krikkitmen recently, so should probably try the Scratchman one.
The next big thing for Doctor Who is Circuit Breaker, which is basically another Timelord Victorious.



These never really grab me.
 
The next big thing for Doctor Who is Circuit Breaker, which is basically another Timelord Victorious.



These never really grab me.

Yeah. Me either. Especially with a potentially good Doctor wired into one of the worst plot lines in the show for some time (YMMV)

I think this one will bomb, but slightly less than Doomsday did, as expectations will be lower.

They’d probably have a better shot starting the EDAs up again with Fitz and Anji ;)
 
Yeah. Me either. Especially with a potentially good Doctor wired into one of the worst plot lines in the show for some time (YMMV)

I think this one will bomb, but slightly less than Doomsday did, as expectations will be lower.

They’d probably have a better shot starting the EDAs up again with Fitz and Anji ;)
I'll probably start listening to the Big Finish again. A lot of the original ones are all on Spotify.
 
The next big thing for Doctor Who is Circuit Breaker, which is basically another Timelord Victorious.

These never really grab me.
I thought TLV was rather enjoyable. It has some issues, and it's not really the tenth Doctor story it looks like from the promotion, but overall, I thought it was fun and it worked as the story of the Pearl Harbor of the Time War. I thought it could have been bigger; I'd have taken more novels that we got.

I didn't really look at Doom's Day. I have the Titan comics and the novel, but otherwise I didn't bother.
 
I thought TLV was rather enjoyable. It has some issues, and it's not really the tenth Doctor story it looks like from the promotion, but overall, I thought it was fun and it worked as the story of the Pearl Harbor of the Time War. I thought it could have been bigger; I'd have taken more novels that we got.

I didn't really look at Doom's Day. I have the Titan comics and the novel, but otherwise I didn't bother.
It was too spread out, and it wasn't clear what bits were needed for the main storyline. This seems to be going the same way. What exactly do I need to read to get get the main bits of the story, and what stuff is extra but not necessary?
 
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This is why I get most of my books from the library. Unfortunately, they don't have many Doctor Who novels.

The end of the Mass Market Paperback is tragedy, but the more I think about it, the more I think it might be related to the decline of reading for pleasure and the awful literacy rate. It's becoming the haves that can read and the have-nots that can't.
I'd kind of gotten the impression that e-books have pretty much taken over for Mass Market Paperbacks at this point.
I’m so happy Jo is the face of Circuit Breaker! With UNIT

But the Fourteenth Doctor is sitting in the garden and whether you like it or not Tennant’s face sells. I know a couple of fan projects already using him
David Tennant is working on fan projects now? Or do you mean they're just using the character?
I'll probably start listening to the Big Finish again. A lot of the original ones are all on Spotify.
If you're in the US and have access Hoopla, they have a ton of older Doctor Who audios, and some of the spin-offs like Jago & Litefoot, (Classic series) UNIT, Charlotte Pollard, Vienna, Dalek Empire, Counter Measures, and I Davros. The most recent thing they have on there is Counter Measures Series 3 from 2014.
 
I'd kind of gotten the impression that e-books have pretty much taken over for Mass Market Paperbacks at this point.
The only reason why I struggle with this theory is that eBooks generally cost more than Mass Market Paperbacks and because the reader would have to purchase the eReader, which is not cheap. My b&w KOBO wasn't cheap. But I've read over 50 novels on it since I purchased it, which is far more than the normal reading rate, so I can justify the cost. However, if I'm only reading a couple of books a year, it's tough to justify spending nearly $200 on an eReader.

What's also tough for me to get my head around is why the decline in reading is mainly adult men. I see this in the turn out at our book club. I see this at book stores in general. But then I see far less fiction for men being produced as well.

To me this is really a class issue, where we're seeing lower income reading less mainly due to both literacy rates and cost. Now, libraries do help out a ton. But then libraries will censor their available books, which is also some thing I struggle with since censorship for books has gone through the roof lately.

This is an interesting watch too.

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The only reason why I struggle with this theory is that eBooks generally cost more than Mass Market Paperbacks and because the reader would have to purchase the eReader, which is not cheap. My b&w KOBO wasn't cheap. But I've read over 50 novels on it since I purchased it, which is far more than the normal reading rate, so I can justify the cost. However, if I'm only reading a couple of books a year, it's tough to justify spending nearly $200 on an eReader.

What's also tough for me to get my head around is why the decline in reading is mainly adult men. I see this in the turn out at our book club. I see this at book stores in general. But then I see far less fiction for men being produced as well.

To me this is really a class issue, where we're seeing lower income reading less mainly due to both literacy rates and cost. Now, libraries do help out a ton. But then libraries will censor their available books, which is also some thing I struggle with since censorship for books has gone through the roof lately.

This is an interesting watch too.

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I have a theory as to why there's a decline in (lower income bracket) male reading. It goes back decades in my experience, not just recently. Reading (unless its lads mags like Maxim, Heat, Nuts or GQ, and they're mainly bought for the pictures of women including celebs in swimwear or lingerie) is not cool and is treated as a 'girly thing'. A perusal of 'book tube' would appear to bear this out where the majority of content creators/influencers appear to be 18-40 year old women.

What male book tubers that are around appear to be middle-aged men. There does seem to be healthier male representation when it comes to comics/graphic novels. At least if You Tube is any indication. By the way I don't own an e-reader. I love physical books and physical media in general. Over the last couple of years (in part inspired by one of those middle-aged male book tubers), started collecting 1960s and 70s era Pan paperbacks with an emphasis on thrillers and film/tv tie in editions. I've had to almost stop due to current financial difficulties though I do get the odd one (I recently bought a late 1960s edition of Stephen Coulter's 'Offshore!').
 
The only reason why I struggle with this theory is that eBooks generally cost more than Mass Market Paperbacks and because the reader would have to purchase the eReader, which is not cheap. My b&w KOBO wasn't cheap. But I've read over 50 novels on it since I purchased it, which is far more than the normal reading rate, so I can justify the cost. However, if I'm only reading a couple of books a year, it's tough to justify spending nearly $200 on an eReader.

Probably not far more than the normal reading rate for people who buy ereaders, though.

What's also tough for me to get my head around is why the decline in reading is mainly adult men. I see this in the turn out at our book club. I see this at book stores in general. But then I see far less fiction for men being produced as well.

I'm a 63-year-old Canadian, and I don't remember a time in my life when there weren't a lot of men who saw reading as a complete waste of time, if not downright effeminate or nerdy. I've known people who read nonfiction but just couldn't wrap their heads around the concept of fiction. Why waste time on things that aren't real? I knew a commerce student at university who was proud that he never read anything that wasn't required reading for one of his classes. Smartphones have changed things a bit, but airport waiting lounges, airplanes, buses, and similar places were full of men just staring into space. Women seemed more likely to be reading. I've read whole books in airport terminals and in pubs.

To me this is really a class issue, where we're seeing lower income reading less mainly due to both literacy rates and cost.

Depending where you are, the class issue may also involve distrust of book larnin'. When I was a kid at school, "brain" and "bookworm" were insults in some circles.

Now, libraries do help out a ton. But then libraries will censor their available books, which is also some thing I struggle with since censorship for books has gone through the roof lately.

Sorry, what? Professional librarians are generally opposed to censorship. In Canada, what's been happening is conservative provincial governments telling public and school libraries to get rid of certain books.

I understand some small town public libraries where the place is run by the local church lady may be different, but library associations and library degree programs tend to have a strong anti-censorship bias.

(In the spirit of full disclosure, I'm a librarian, MLS 1986, but not the kind exposed to that kind of pressure. It wasn't relevant in the satellite communications company I worked in and it isn't in the government department library I work in now.)
 
Showing my age but when people tell me they don’t read, my mind goes straight to Bill Hicks
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It occurred to me that while I was browsing the Sci-Fi section at B&N yesterday, I don't think I saw a single Dr. Who novel on the shelves.
That's basically down to distribution. It's been a goal of BBC Books since the 90s to find an American publisher for the books stateside -- notably, some of the Capaldi NSAs and some of the "big name author" books were picked up by American publishers -- because it makes it easier (and quicker) to get into stores than to put them on a slow boat from Britain. But Doctor Who books are a pretty niche market.

It was too spread out, and it was clear what bits were needed for the main storyline. This seems to be going the same way. What exactly do I need to read to get get the main bits of the story, and what stuff is extra but not necessary?
No offense, but they're not going to tell you that. No one wants to tell a potential customer, "You don't need this. You don't need to spend your money on this."

With TLV, the only essential parts you have to buy are, imho, the eighth Doctor audios (including the flip audio) and the second novel, All Flesh Is Grass. Beyond that, on the free side, you should watch the Daleks animations and read James Goss' short story from the TARDIS's POV. (The title is something like "What the TARDIS Saw.") These are what I would call "the spine" of Time Lord Victorious. Notice that, in spite of the event having a tenth Doctor term, none of that, expect the flip audio, has a tenth Doctor focus.

Beyond that, the TLV producats are helpful but not essential.

I'd kind of gotten the impression that e-books have pretty much taken over for Mass Market Paperbacks at this point.
Kinda. The death of mass markets has a lot to do with bookstores; they prefer higher price points for their KPIs.

My issue with saying that ebooks have replaced mass markets is that the ebooks I want to read are generally more expensive than mass markets were. I also object to spending trade paperback (or higher) prices on an ebook that I am legally only licensing and can be removed from my device by a publisher or platform without a refund. The Big Four price ebooks in a way to prevent ebooks from eating into print sales.

The only reason why I struggle with this theory is that eBooks generally cost more than Mass Market Paperbacks and because the reader would have to purchase the eReader, which is not cheap. My b&w KOBO wasn't cheap.
You can get Kobo, Kindle, and Nook apps on your smartphone. I don't know about the Kobo ereader, but the Kindle and the Nook are Android hardware. If you have a smartphone, you don't necessarily need a dedicated ereader.
 
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