News Season 2 will be the last (show cancelled)

[tenmei]

So, no Abrams films or SNW?

I think, perhaps, you misunderstand? I'm on your side vis a vis the YIJ reference.

 

[Dukhat]

I think, perhaps, you misunderstand? I'm on your side vis a vis the YIJ reference.

Oh, I understood. I was just making a joke.

 

[Set Harth]

And BTW, someone else talked to me the same way you just did, and it didn't end well for them. Just sayin'

 

[Dukhat]

 

[TRON JA307020]

Rich advice, coming from you.

Thank you Firebird. I try not to give poor advice if I can help it but sometimes its not always good. I watched reviews good and bad. Listened to a few of Jesse Genders and Trek Culture reviews and a few of Nerodic and The Dave Cullen Show. I tried to cover a spectrum of views.

It's pretty fascinating the difference in how people perceive the show. I learned about Jesse and Nerdrotic on this boards so went to those channels and gave them a go. There's definitely a schism in Trek Fandom as others here have mentioned here. Im not sure its as strong as some have suggested. Mostly a youtube thing I think.

 

[Sim]

I have been watching FOR ALL MANKIND. Some people were talking about it on another forum here and I have Apple Tv for Formula 1 season. So I figured I would give it a go. I have to say it is a well done delightful show. Yeah it is high budget premium show but I think it's still cheaper than SFA. Also the drama is so well done in the show. Love all the characters and of course we have some Star Trek alums on board. They manage to give all the characters plus guest stars sufficient screen time and stuff to do.

So yeah it's not all about enormous sets and high stakes. I want to see Trek return to some more thoughtful character moments/growth and drama..

After I watched 7+ seasons of "The Rookie" with my daughter, a show that's hardly stellar but basically a standard network procedural with tropes and melodrama and all ... but also rather successful ... I hoped SFA would be a little bit like that: Relatable (maybe too much by-the-books relatable) characters, standard fare melodrama, with rookie and instructor characters alike, growing to a team. Basically a "The Rookie in space". You see, I already had pretty low expectations.

I can't say I found the SFA characters even half as relatable as those on "The Rookie". So I can't say I regret too much it was cancelled.

But I'm concerned it possibly lowers the chances to get more good new Trek -- other Trek -- in the foreseeable future.

 

[Commander K]

Discovery had serious issues, but sadly they were magnified 100fold by the racists, homophobe and sexist scumbags review bombing and whatnot. It made for a challenging time critiquing the show.

Sorry but this was the lazy accusatory response a few people had here when any criticism was made of this show because they sometimes couldn't admit the show failed again and again. Criticising SMG and her performance then you are racist. Criticising the doctor, you are homophobic, etc etc

It would give some people an excuse to feel offended and throw the most accusatory thing possible at someone just because they didnt like their opinion and couldn't formulate a returning argument.

 

[Michael]

You want me to down it down for you like you're a challenged child, or do you remember the show that had four actors playing the same character at different points in his development?

What the hell? This kind of attack seems totally unwarranted, not to mention in poor taste. Let me not see you use that kind of ableist language again, or it will be a warning.

 

[Firebird]

Sorry but this was the lazy accusatory response a few people had here when any criticism was made of this show because they sometimes couldn't admit the show failed again and again. Criticising SMG and her performance then you are racist. Criticising the doctor, you are homophobic, etc etc

It would give some people an excuse to feel offended and throw the most accusatory thing possible at someone just because they didnt like their opinion and couldn't formulate a returning argument.

That's rather dismissive to the very real smear campaign headed up by online grifters who ginned up campaigns to harass TV series with casts led by people of color and LGBT. The typical way these campaigns would try to gaslight criticism of their abuse would be to give responses exactly like yours.

 

[Fateor]

After I watched 7+ seasons of "The Rookie" with my daughter, a show that's hardly stellar but basically a standard network procedural with tropes and melodrama and all ... but also rather successful ... I hoped SFA would be a little bit like that: Relatable (maybe too much by-the-books relatable) characters, standard fare melodrama, with rookie and instructor characters alike, growing to a team. Basically a "The Rookie in space". You see, I already had pretty low expectations.

I can't say I found the SFA characters even half as relatable as those on "The Rookie". So I can't say I regret too much it was cancelled.

But I'm concerned it possibly lowers the chances to get more good new Trek -- other Trek -- in the foreseeable future.

The Rookie wanted to tell the story of people learning to be cops.

Starfleet Academy wanted to tell the story of specific cadets.

Now, telling the story of specific cadets could have worked, however not when you have 6 "main" cadets and only 10 episodes to do it in. And it was even worse because they spent a significant portion of some of those episodes covering Holly Hunter's character instead of the cadets.

 

[Sim]

That's rather dismissive to the very real smear campaign headed up by online grifters who ginned up campaigns to harass TV series with casts led by people of color and LGBT. The typical way these campaigns would try to gaslight criticism of their abuse would be to give responses exactly like yours.

These online grifters are more or less the only thing that makes me want to defend DSC (or SFA) as a kneejerk reaction.

These shows are bad, but definitely not *that* bad, and certainly not for *these* reasons.

 

[Turtletrekker]

These shows are bad, but definitely not *that* bad, and certainly not for *these* reasons.

I would take SFA over Voyager and Enterprise and over anything else from the current era. SFA was, in point of fact, quite excellent.

 

[Sim]

I would take SFA over Voyager and Enterprise and over anything else from the current era. SFA was, in point of fact, quite excellent.

I beg to differ, but I'm glad you enjoyed the show more than I did, and it's good that the fandom is diverse enough not to have uniform opinions on the different shows!

 

[Fateor]

I would take SFA over Voyager and Enterprise and over anything else from the current era. SFA was, in point of fact, quite excellent.

It's odd that you say that given the first season of Prodigy did the general story Academy was attempting in it's own first season better then Academy.

 

[cooleddie74]

SFA was definitely better than most of both DSC and PIC. A far stronger first season than either of them.

 

[fireproof78]

It's odd that you say that given the first season of Prodigy did the general story Academy was attempting in it's own first season better then Academy.

Except way more depressing.

 

[Sim]

Yes, I also found season 1 of SFA much better than DSC.

But I enjoyed PIC, to the most part. It had some serious issues regarding the writing of the season arcs, but I found both old and new characters relatable and/or fun to watch.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Fewer Than 40,000 People Watched Star Trek: Starfleet Academy

Mike Stoklasa, noted YouTuber and friend of Rich Evans, recently revealed during a Red Letter Media re:View that he has a source close to the production of Starfleet Academy. According to Mike, his s...

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Well Yahoo picked up the low viewership story. Since they did they might have reason to believe its true. One thing is paramount might come out with a response now since the story has become more national and give us more accurate numbers.

40k an episode sounds too low. Ive never heard of any television show getting numbers that low even in todays world of streaming. Its probably even impossible. Im guessing that most episodes at least got 400k to 1 mil. Its still star trek and even a lot of people that didn't like it might have watched.

 

[Turtletrekker]

It's odd that you say that given the first season of Prodigy did the general story Academy was attempting in it's own first season better then Academy.

Not really. The only thing the two stories had in common were that the main characters were younger.

 

[cooleddie74]

First seasons of streaming Trek ranked:

1. SNW
2. PRO
3. SFA
4. LD
5. PIC
6. DSC