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There are physical connections to the ring and wings, but I can't figure out the logic of when they decide to use them or not.

The saucer moves in sync with the wing when not physically connected, so there must be some sort of invisible energy field that keeps them together. Same with theea, other ships with detatched nacelles.
Yeah, the transformation of the various sections has been a head scratcher for me. The "baseline" is really just the Discovery-A, which pretty uniformly flew with nacelles detached at STL speeds, but attached them whenever they executed a spore drive jump or standard warp. All other ships of the era until the Athena flew with permanently detached nacelles, which stayed in place even when digging their saucer into a planet nose first (as seen with the USS Antares in "Red Directive").

Here, the Athena was seen retracting her saucer cross bridges when she went into warp in "Kids These Days", but in this episode the bridges were in place at warp when we see the shuttle leave its bay. Meanwhile, the nacelles (which have two distinct kinds of structure, the "feathers" and the nacelles themselves), are always detached, but unfurl into a larger configuration for warp and condense themselves back when moving to STL. Methinks that the cross bridges and the warp nacelle configuration are two separately-managed things, or perhaps the bridges are retracted for transition to warp but can be extended afterwards. Or maybe they were in place because of all the partying and the ship just needed the extra volume for student activities..?

Still, all of this is weird considering the Disco refit ditched her own cross bridges entirely, reducing her overall volume (along with the cutouts in the engineering hull) as well as a convenient way for crew to walk between the sections of the saucer.

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Also, WHY did they leave the atrium section behind? It didn’t have a tractor beam on it, and contains stuff like the main shuttlebay, torpedo launchers, and.. warp slugs, among things. Any of these could be useful if it’s just you against the whole Venari Ral (though I’m positive they’ll be getting some lies pretty quickly).

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Also, WHY did they leave the atrium section behind? It didn’t have a tractor beam on it, and contains stuff like the main shuttlebay, torpedo launchers, and.. warp slugs, among things. Any of these could be useful if it’s just you against the whole Venari Ral (though I’m positive they’ll be getting some lies pretty quickly).

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Saucer can't go to solo warp with it attached? They left it behind in 1x04 too.
 
It's a valid point - while we've seen some pretty crazy hull configurations in this era of Starfleet, the Athena saucer was probably optimized to fly or warp without the neck. We've only really seen three flight modes:

- Everything together
- Nacelles separated (for eventual landing in "campus" mode)
- Saucer only

Furthermore we know the nacelles have at least two configurations for warp and STL flight, and the cross bridges can retract for... Reasons.

I fully think that all the sections can fly independently at STL speeds, though whether they're designed to do so for tactical purposes or for aesthetics is up for debate.

Mark
 
1x09 and an expected cliffhanger! Quick notes:

- The depiction of the Omega-47 "barrier" doesn't really make any sense. If they're mines, they're points on this scale and not a wall of any sense. What's creating the red barrier? And at a scale of hundreds or thousands of light years, any observable portion of it from the ship would be a solid flat surface without curvature.

- Not to mention that unless these mines can be set off by various transits through FTL methods not in regular space, then anyone using a transwarp conduit, spore drive, dimensional shift, time travel, etc. should be able to blink past the thing. Just saying, Starfleet should have options.

From the map I've seen so far, the mines seem to mainly be around the old Federation 'core', a diametre of maybe 80 light years? But more could have been activated later, within the context of the scene.

So it's unclear just how many were involved. Still, the depiction isn't exactly high on realism, so far (as is scaling of relative stars, as I recall)
 
I'm glad they at least showed a 3D "bubble" of sorts from a distance surrounding Fed space, even though it's kind of hokum. The maps they've been showing look way too "2D" to be taken seriously.
 
In reality, there are some 10,000+ actual stars within 80-100 ly of Earth. Star Trek may or may not take that into account in most maps, and of course they'd ignore uninhabited systems (though logically, most if not all stars will have SOME natural satellites around them). I do wonder though, between terraforming (which was already in full swing by the 2300s) and general colonization, whether every star with a planet in its habitable zone WOULD have sentients on it by the 3190s. That could mean hundreds or thousands of inhabited worlds in that same space!

Mark
 
Don't forget about the Burn. There may have been thousands of colonies 100% dependent exclusively on warp-travel-delivered supplies from Federation core worlds that were cut off when all the dilithium went foom. Such colonies would have, sadly, all gone extinct through lack of supplies if they couldn't find alternative resources on their respective planets. If they were domed colonies on hostile planets incapable of naturally sustaining humanoid life, they would have been dead within months.
 
Well, if they had a dilithium-governed reactor like on Qo'nos, they'd be just fin-- ohhh. :P

I'd debate as to whether or not many planets would have gone extinct without interstellar trade. Granted, the Federation has always had a version of globalist economics at play, with systems / powers that HAVE stuff being able to export to places that don't and vice versa. But ecologically-speaking, most colonies we've seen in Trek (especially the early, wagon-train types being set up in TOS and TNG) seem to be wisely focused on self-sustainability, growing crops and such. As long as the environment was stable and the land arable, a local population could sustain itself indefinitely. Whether or not it would be able to prosper and grow without advanced technology imports is another matter.

Still, you have a fair point in that the Burn would have kaiboshed a LOT of trade by making it impossible to sustain at scale. And how long WOULD it take to re-establish a galactic trade network that had been evolving for thousands of years? Discovery really glossed over how bad things really should have been, dropping off camtonos full of dilithium as if that would fix everything instantly...

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Diving into the finale and 1x10!

- The Doctor's mobile emitter has the same shape, but the details are slightly different - the "window" that used to contain a circuitry-based look is now larger and only has a different pattern to it. I guess SOME adaptation and improvement has been made over the years, especially given that it's now three hundred years out of date (instead of five hundred years ahead of its time).

- Is the emitter made of programmable matter to begin with? It disassembles itself as it merges into the computer systems. Also, unlike his effects on Voyager, the Doc's image is clearly projected by the emitter before he grabs it and puts it inside his holo-jacket (versus any number of times a Voyager crew member would just hold it about where his arm would be).

- We confirm that the spore drive is indeed linked to subspace use, so they aren't sure if Discovery would set off the mines. Still, she briefly shows up at the end, which is a nice touch.

- We also confirm here that Starfleet weaponry is blue/green and has been for some centuries. In "Kids These Days" the torpedoes fired by Athena are blue-white, and in "Vox In Excelso" the beams from the Starfleet ships are blue-green while the Klingons have red. The various shooty scenes in "Discovery" echo this, though frustratingly we haven't seen much in the way of actual weapons ports on 32nd-centrury starships.

- In this episode we see that the Athena saucer's "reserve nacelles" are covered by doors when they drop out of warp in the gas cloud. Between this and the last week though, I don't know if the ship has enough room in the hull to accommodate the doors for these nacelles and the shuttlebay.

- The personnel that transport into the atrium to arrest Braka and his gang are all wearing the lit-up armor we saw the cadets wear this season, but with different underlayers.

- Boy, the Athena cleans up with Voyager levels of efficiency. Maybe the ceremony at Betazed was delayed to clean up the overall mess from this event, but the Athena saucer docks just as everyone gets into formation in orbit, so perhaps they've just finished after some time of repair and relocation.

- Also, after getting everyone OFF the ship at Betazed in the previous episode, all the students are aboard AGAIN to get off for the festivities. I'm guessing this status is related to the time that's passed.

- I don't know if it's the lighting for this series in general or for the Betazoid sun, but this is the first time I've actually been impressed by the "look" of the guest starships in this era. Prior to this episode, the ships all looked really "flat" in texture and detail. But the fleet scenes of the ships in orbat of Betazed looked flat-out incredible.

- Most of the 32nd-Century Starfleet inventory shows up in this episode, with the notable exceptions of the 32nd-C Connie, Angelou (the "flying rain forest") and Tikonov (seed ship). A pair of Antares types are visible in the final fleet shot, which is cool.

(Edit: No Creedence-type either.)

- Caleb starts his personal log by identifying himself as "Cadet Second Class", which is a first for this ranking system. In the US Air Force, first-year cadets are actually "Cadet Fourth Class", and they progress "upward" from there to where a fourth-year cadet is a "Cadet First Class". I'm guessing the Starfleet implication is that Mir is now a second year cadet, so it's the opposite of the USAF. In the US Navy Academy, students are called Midshipmen and not Cadets, but the decreasing number schema is the same.

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Most of the 32nd-Century Starfleet inventory shows up in this episode, with the notable exceptions of the 32nd-C Connie, Angelou (the "flying rain forest") and Tikonov (seed ship). A pair of Antares types are visible in the final fleet shot, which is cool.
Where did you spot the Antares types? I tried looking a the final fleet shot but I didn't see any just Friendships which use a similar saucer.
Caleb starts his personal log by identifying himself as "Cadet Second Class", which is a first for this ranking system. In the US Air Force, first-year cadets are actually "Cadet Fourth Class", and they progress "upward" from there to where a fourth-year cadet is a "Cadet First Class". I'm guessing the Starfleet implication is that Mir is now a second year cadet, so it's the opposite of the USAF. In the US Navy Academy, students are called Midshipmen and not Cadets, but the decreasing number schema is the same.
Memory-Alpha has the TNG era cadets ranks listed like the US Navy, but I'm not sure where they got that from. I don't believe class number was ever mentioned in dialogue in TNG or DS9.

May have come from a BTS thing.

Edit: In DS9 Rocks and Shoals Nog refers to himself as Cadet Third Class.
 
Edit: In DS9 Rocks and Shoals Nog refers to himself as Cadet Third Class.
That tracks, as Nog was on "second year field study" when the war broke out, and was indeed somewhere in his second year of study.

The only other reference I came up with was Peter Preston in TWOK, who identified himself as Midshipman First Class. Given the great lengths that movie went to lean into the naval tradition, I'm not surprised, though the movie mostly referred to all the cadets as "cadets" otherwise. Curiously, it seems that in the US Navy SOME officer students are called Midshipmen, and others Cadets, depending on the circumstance. Maybe that's also the case here, but there are decades or centuries between examples so traditions can easily change:

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That tracks, as Nog was on "second year field study" when the war broke out, and was indeed somewhere in his second year of study.

The only other reference I came up with was Peter Preston in TWOK, who identified himself as Midshipman First Class. Given the great lengths that movie went to lean into the naval tradition, I'm not surprised, though the movie mostly referred to all the cadets as "cadets" otherwise. Curiously, it seems that in the US Navy SOME officer students are called Midshipmen, and others Cadets, depending on the circumstance. Maybe that's also the case here, but there are decades or centuries between examples so traditions can easily change:

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WAS Preston a cadet? Scotty explicitly mentions "he stayed at his post.... when the trainees ran!" rather than saying "when the other trainees ran"...
 
It was his first training voyage as he confirmed himself, so that implies that he is also a trainee. Whether he's a cadet or not I think is beside the point. However, other dialogue seems to suggest that everyone other than the command staff are cadets.
 
The canonicty of the closing credits content is in question, but Admiral Vance’s yearbook card noted that he was part of a resurrected Nova Squadron… and that to his chagrin, his callsign was “Vancypants”.

In a similar vein, the propaganda scrawl during the trial confirms Faan Alpha has been renamed New Qo’nos. Interesting that it was all in English… Though it could easily have been an artifact of the universal translator. As it is, all the stuff carved into the walls on the atrium this week was in English.

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