Artemis stacking begins
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I know but I watch a video then off to the comments, sometimes they are fine, other times they are a mixture of OK and batshit crazy
Were the usual Elon fanboys there? They've drunk so much of the Kool-Aid that they can't see straight.
Not really but a few crazies saying that we basically faked manned space missions in the 70s and only now space travel might be real. In other words CRAZIES
There's all sorts of crazy nowadays. It's the new orange.
They look to kill the Exploration Upper Stage, and new strap-ons.
Centaur V will be the new upper stage.
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Centaur V will be the new upper stage.
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NASA wants to accelerate its Artemis missions to the moon. It will need to drop some big hardware to do it.
Some major projects might be left half complete after this latest shakeup.
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An HLS will likely take several years to develop and test. Blue Origin can probably come up with something, but the preliminary designs based on a modified Blue Moon MK1 look very tall and unstable given they are proposing to land near the Lunar south pole. A mockup of the crew cabin of the MK2 has apparently been built.
Sorry, I don't have a source reference. I found the image using an Internet search. Looks legit though on comparison with published diagrams. However, I don't know if a fully fueled MK2 could be delivered to lunar orbit - halo or otherwise - using a Centaur V derived upper stage on the existing Block 1A Artemis SLS.
These are the published designs for the MK2 and cargo MK1 compared to the size of the Apollo LM:
Sorry, I don't have a source reference. I found the image using an Internet search. Looks legit though on comparison with published diagrams. However, I don't know if a fully fueled MK2 could be delivered to lunar orbit - halo or otherwise - using a Centaur V derived upper stage on the existing Block 1A Artemis SLS.
These are the published designs for the MK2 and cargo MK1 compared to the size of the Apollo LM:
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It's shape looks like a toilet tank on legs, but it does look functional
The MK1 shown is the cargo version with no ability to return to orbit. It would have to be extensively modified. I very much doubt the MK2 will be built this decade, if at all, if the SLS and its upper stage are not further developed.
Could have, would have, should have. Contingent history isn't history. It's fantasy fiction like the Apple series For All Mankind.
The Chinese might succeed. The US might never succeed again. What's the purpose and what is the road map to achieve short, medium and long-term goals? Is it nothing more than a gratuitous willy waving and pissing up the wall competition?
It's all of that.
The difference is that the Chinese are not in any rush, or feel compelled to get to the moon before anyone else does. There is no more Space Race. Which is why they'll succeed and the US will continually fail.
Perhaps it's asymmetric. I can imagine the fury in Congress if China succeeds - even though the US was first in 1969 but then got bored. I do think China will have developed a fully worked out and costed plan for establishing permanently manned bases on the Moon and exploiting the resources there. It would appear to demonstrate that a planned political economy outperforms free-market capitalism (or Trump's wildly distorted version of that).
They're too busy being idiots to care about China's moon plans.
I just think NASA made a monumental mistake with the HLS contracts. I can't see either entry hitting that 2028 deadline, and expecting them before 2030 might even be pushing it.
Its a sad state of affairs, but perhaps China have earnt this win?
Best case scenario, the embarrassment becomes a real For All Mankind moment
Its a sad state of affairs, but perhaps China have earnt this win?
Best case scenario, the embarrassment becomes a real For All Mankind moment
Or as I like to think of it as "Crazynomics"
I just think NASA made a monumental mistake with the HLS contracts. I can't see either entry hitting that 2028 deadline, and expecting them before 2030 might even be pushing it.
Its a sad state of affairs, but perhaps China have earnt this win?
Best case scenario, the embarrassment becomes a real For All Mankind moment
NASA made a mistake in giving Boeing the contract for Starliner when they should have given it to Sierra Nevada for Dreamchaser. As for the moon? The whole thing is just a clusterfuck.
I'm disappointed by the lack of any significant progress from SNC, but perhaps with government funding it could have been a different story.
Dreamchaser is a beautiful looking vehicle, and seems like more of a natural next step from the shuttle programme.
Yeah, that was actually the point I was trying to make. With sufficient funding, I believe SNC would have had Dreamchaser ready a long time ago.
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