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[fireproof78]

find the picard commend interesting given that you love Burnham. She has arrogance in spades . Heck, I would argue that she had it far above what we saw in picard. I agree with you on janeway, I wonder if the actor had any influence on her character. When 7 came on board she was a lot more likeable and was a lot better written.

I saw in Burnham a willingness to try and reach to other people. In Picard I saw him dein to meet with others. One felt very approachable and the other felt elitist.

Mileage will vary but Picard is someone I could not warm up to. Burnham understood far better because trauma and suppression messed her up and she had to heal from that.

 

[johnjm22]

Not entirely. Disco season 1 started out well and ended up being and 7 over on IMDB. It mainted the mid 7s until season 5 where it brought the entire thing down to a 7.

SNW maintains a higher number though season 3 gave it a little hit. Still standing at a 8.2.
LD is actually the one that is different. It started out weak, gained a little to maintain mid 7s score. In its final season it actually climbed up to hit a 7.8.

STP is the middle maintains the same mid 7s.

Now I imagine after its all said and done and give some time to pass, SFA is going to be the lowest star trek show. Something about it people really hate, and I do not think its just review bombing.

These shows have no cultural foot print what so ever.

By the time Discovery got to season 5 it was so irrelevant that it only had 21 professional reviews on RT.

 

[Fateor]

These shows have no cultural foot print what so ever.

By the time Discovery got to season 5 it was so irrelevant that it only had 21 professional reviews on RT.

Eh... Lower Decks had the Moopsy which became a meme for a bit...

 

[Mudd]

These shows have no cultural foot print what so ever.

Such an unsupported assertion is not an argument.

 

[Noname Given]

Do people really find themselves rewatching NuTrek?

The only show I've gone back to for a second watch is Lower Decks.

SNW and the first two seasons of Discovery...Yep.

And I still also will rewatch TOS, the later (3-7) seasons of DS9 and the 4th season of ENT.

 

[Firebird]

Man, I'm old enough to remember when Enterprise "had no cultural footprint and would age like milk," and look at how things have turned around in the last ten years.

That's why I put no stock in the doom-saying on the Kurtzman era. It's far too early to be making such lofty and unsupported claims.

 

[Noname Given]

Man, I'm old enough to remember when Enterprise "had no cultural footprint and would age like milk," and look at how things have turned around in the last ten years.

That's why I put no stock in the doom-saying on the Kurtzman era. It's far too early to be making such lofty and unsupported claims.

I remember when DS9 premired:

"A show that Boldly goes nowhere..."
"Gene Roddenberry is rolling over in his grave..."
"Isreal IN SPACE!..."

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I remember when DS9 premired:

"A show that Boldly goes nowhere..."
"Gene Roddenberry is rolling over in his grave..."
"Isreal IN SPACE!..."

Also 'Deep Sleep Nine' was a good one. And let's not forget the thinly veiled racism that came when Sisko had the gall to call Picard out to his face over Wolf 359.

I saw in Burnham a willingness to try and reach to other people. In Picard I saw him dein to meet with others. One felt very approachable and the other felt elitist.

Mileage will vary but Picard is someone I could not warm up to. Burnham understood far better because trauma and suppression messed her up and she had to heal from that.

I feel the same about Picard. Burnham and Sisko are by far the most relatable Captains for me, mainly because of they experienced severe trauma and dealt with it. Burnham in particular is someone who I think is dealing with Complex-PTSD. When viewed through this lense, everything she does and a lot of her behaviours are pretty understandable.

 

[Fateor]

I feel the same about Picard. Burnham and Sisko are by far the most relatable Captains for me, mainly because of they experienced severe trauma and dealt with it. Burnham in particular is someone who I think is dealing with Complex-PTSD. When viewed through this lense, everything she does and a lot of her behaviours are pretty understandable.

Na, Burnham wasn't PTSD.

She was childhood trauma, guilt, and a savior complex.

Most of her behavior actually tracks back to her savior complex, the most obvious of which her constant need to try and overrule superior officers when she thinks she's right.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Na, Burnham wasn't PTSD.

She was childhood trauma, guilt, and a savior complex.

Most of her behavior actually tracks back to her savior complex, the most obvious of which her constant need to try and overrule superior officers when she thinks she's right.

Nah she had CPTSD, which all those things you listed can be causes/symptoms of.

 

[tenmei]

Na, Burnham wasn't PTSD.

She was childhood trauma, guilt, and a savior complex.

Most of her behavior actually tracks back to her savior complex, the most obvious of which her constant need to try and overrule superior officers when she thinks she's right.

Childhood trauma is the PTSD that's being referred to.

https://tenaja-writes.medium.com/in-defense-of-michael-burnham-d587b8496770

A Long Time: Star Trek: Discovery and the Many Faces of PTSD

“This is going to be with you a long time, Jean-Luc. A long time. You have to learn to live with it.” ~Robert Picard to brother Jean-Luc Picard, “Family” Spoiler alert: This post contains spoilers for the first four episodes of Season 4 of Star Trek: Discovery. What I most appreciate about Disc

www.womenatwarp.com

.

 

[Fateor]

Nah she had CPTSD, which all those things you listed can be symptoms of.

Na, the guilt isn't misplaced because she totally caused the Klingon war.

Childhood trauma is the PTSD that's being referred to.

https://tenaja-writes.medium.com/in-defense-of-michael-burnham-d587b8496770

A Long Time: Star Trek: Discovery and the Many Faces of PTSD

“This is going to be with you a long time, Jean-Luc. A long time. You have to learn to live with it.” ~Robert Picard to brother Jean-Luc Picard, “Family” Spoiler alert: This post contains spoilers for the first four episodes of Season 4 of Star Trek: Discovery. What I most appreciate about Disc

www.womenatwarp.com

.

Okay? I disagree with that random internet person.

 

[fireproof78]

feel the same about Picard. Burnham and Sisko are by far the most relatable Captains for me, mainly because of they experienced severe trauma and dealt with it. Burnham in particular is someone who I think is dealing with Complex-PTSD. When viewed through this lense, everything she does and a lot of her behaviours are pretty understandable.

Yes, Burnham presents with all the markers of PTSD, then overlayed with Vulcan suppression. Negative cognitions about self and the world, need to control hyperarousal, and strong reaction to trauma reminders.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Na, the guilt isn't misplaced because she totally caused the Klingon war.



Okay? I disagree with that random internet person.

Yeah because of her childhood trauma. Having CPTSD doesn't make you immune to making mistakes. Complex-PTSD differs from PTSD in that it is caused by multiple events usually from childhood. Burnham lost her parents, was injured when the learning centre was bombed by logic extremists, got lost in the wilderness and nearly eaten and growing up on Vulcan lead to her supressing her emotions instead of dealing with them. In particular the loss of her parents is why Burnham loses her shit and immediately wants to fight the klingons. There are four survival responses that people with CPTSD exhibit, Fight, Freeze, Flight and Fawn. Burnham was exhibiting all the traits of someone with CPTSD in a 'fight' state of mind.

Burnham frequently acts from this state in high emotional situations, but she gets better at handling it as the series progresses. Her savior complex stems from her need to control situations which is a core component of the fight response.

 

[Elaise]

Man, I'm old enough to remember when Enterprise "had no cultural footprint and would age like milk," and look at how things have turned around in the last ten years.

That's why I put no stock in the doom-saying on the Kurtzman era. It's far too early to be making such lofty and unsupported claims.

Enterprise did age like milk and left no real cultural footprint. I mean, Voyager probably would be in close to the same boat if not for the doctor and 7. The show suffered from to many poorly written character

I could see a good argument that Disco had more better characters that they did nothing with.

 

[Michael]

IMO, one would be foolish to underestimate the cultural legacy of one Captain Kathryn Janeway …

 

[StarTrek1701]

Enterprise did age like milk and left no real cultural footprint. I mean, Voyager probably would be in close to the same boat if not for the doctor and 7. The show suffered from to many poorly written character

I could see a good argument that Disco had more better characters that they did nothing with.

Writing aside, if they set the time period for DSC post-VOY post-Romulan destruction and not have Burnham related to Spock, 40% of the shows problems would vanish overnight.
Keep the spore-drive thing, link it up with future-Janeway's data being recovered, setting up the very early stages of the Temporal Wars.

 

[Elaise]

Writing aside, if they set the time period for DSC post-VOY post-Romulan destruction and not have Burnham related to Spock, 40% of the shows problems would vanish overnight.
Keep the spore-drive thing, link it up with future-Janeway's data being recovered, setting up the very early stages of the Temporal Wars.

I disagree, the writers will still be the same, and they just have a hard time with their plots and character writing.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Writing aside, if they set the time period for DSC post-VOY post-Romulan destruction and not have Burnham related to Spock, 40% of the shows problems would vanish overnight.
Keep the spore-drive thing, link it up with future-Janeway's data being recovered, setting up the very early stages of the Temporal Wars.

People would still hate it in fact people would want to hate it before release. If it avoided being in the crosshairs of the woke panic then it would be decried for not featuring constant cameos of characters from this era.

 

[Ceridwen]

Enterprise did age like milk and left no real cultural footprint. I mean, Voyager probably would be in close to the same boat if not for the doctor and 7.

Enterprise is referenced in Futurama, as is Janeway, so like...