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[Elaise]

SFA's poor ratings are also an indictment of the other ST streaming shows. If they were making any new fans there'd be at least some buzz for SFA.

Not entirely. Disco season 1 started out well and ended up being and 7 over on IMDB. It mainted the mid 7s until season 5 where it brought the entire thing down to a 7.

SNW maintains a higher number though season 3 gave it a little hit. Still standing at a 8.2.
LD is actually the one that is different. It started out weak, gained a little to maintain mid 7s score. In its final season it actually climbed up to hit a 7.8.

STP is the middle maintains the same mid 7s.

Now I imagine after its all said and done and give some time to pass, SFA is going to be the lowest star trek show. Something about it people really hate, and I do not think its just review bombing.

 

[TRON JA307020]

People rewatch 3rd year episodes of TOS, most of which were not aging well by the second commercial break on NBC.

There are a few gems on season three. The Enterprise Incident, The Tholian Web, Spectrum of the Gun and a few more. The season unfortunately had Spocks Brain and one that is even worse. Turnabout Intruder which was probably the worst of the original series .

 

[Farscape One]

Nah. None of that stuff will effect "aging"

It's already not aging well. Go to the DISCO section and there is very little talk of it. Compare that to TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY... those sections have a lot more discussions about various things about those shows. Even ENT is getting much more traffic there than DISCO.

We'll see in 10 years if it gets discussed anywhere near the amount that the other shows do. But I sincerely doubt it. It simply wasn't good enough to generate many discussions afterward.

 

[Farscape One]

There are a few gems on season three. The Enterprise Incident, The Tholian Web, Spectrum of the Gun and a few more. The season unfortunately had Spocks Brain and one that is even worse. Turnabout Intruder which was probably the worst of the original series .

TOS season 3 had more gems in it than the entirety of DISCO.

Of course episodes there would be rewatched more than DISCO. Not only were those gems good, any bad episodes of the season could be skipped. Hard to watch a decent episode of DISCO and skip bad ones when a season long arc has every episode so interconnected and drags along at a snail's pace.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It's already not aging well. Go to the DISCO section and there is very little talk of it. Compare that to TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY... those sections have a lot more discussions about various things about those shows. Even ENT is getting much more traffic there than DISCO.

We'll see in 10 years if it gets duscussed anywhere near the amount that the othet shows do. But I sincerely doubt it. It simply wasn't good enough to generate many discussions afterward.

Who can say? Maybe it will find a new audience. Maybe it wont. When I think of "aging" I think of things like TOS's problematic portrayal of women. Or the Roddenberry Box of Early TNG.

 

[Farscape One]

Who can say? Maybe it will find a new audience. Maybe it wont. When I think of "aging" I think of things like TOS's problematic portrayal of women. Or the Roddenberry Box of Early TNG.

Much of what I listed earlier, I consider things that will age something.

The constant shrink sessions. Starfleet officers who can't keep it together during an emergency with a ticking clock. Not being professional officers.

 

[Elaise]

I think all of nutrek will age as bad or worse than enterprise. I can't think of any stand out memorable episodes from either enterprise or or any of nutrek. That's probably an issue with serialized storytelling. Disco also has has a issue with the focus being so much on burnham, other character either got shafted or just ignored. So you have to at least tolerate burnham to get through the show or watch it again.

I thought about watching it again, but when I think about it I remember Its mostly about burnham, and I just stop right there.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Much of what I listed earlier, I consider things that will age something.

The constant shrink sessions. Starfleet officers who can't keep it together during an emergency with a ticking clock. Not being professional officers.

Those strike me as less problematic that the things I mentioned. Drama oriented stuff that won't raise an eyebrow in the broader audience of "the future". Not even sure it did in the past.

 

[Farscape One]

I think all of nutrek will age as bad or worse than enterprise. I can't think of any stand out memorable episodes from either enterprise or or any of nutrek. That's probably an issue with serialized storytelling. Disco also has has a issue with the focus being so much on burnham, other character either got shafted or just ignored. So you have to at least tolerate burnham to get through the show or watch it again.

I thought about watching it again, but when I think about it I remember Its mostly about burnham, and I just stop right there.

I agree with this, except for ENT. They had multiple memorable episodes.

 

[fireproof78]

Who can say? Maybe it will find a new audience. Maybe it wont. When I think of "aging" I think of things like TOS's problematic portrayal of women. Or the Roddenberry Box of Early TNG.

Definitely this


Also, there's the simple fact that I don't feel a need to hear more Discovery sux rhetoric and all the "crying all the time" bull that makes me feel like I'm in middle school again.

I think all of nutrek will age as bad or worse than enterprise. I can't think of any stand out memorable episodes from either enterprise or or any of nutrek. That's probably an issue with serialized storytelling. Disco also has has a issue with the focus being so much on burnham, other character either got shafted or just ignored. So you have to at least tolerate burnham to get through the show or watch it again.

I thought about watching it again, but when I think about it I remember Its mostly about burnham, and I just stop right there.

And there it is.

I love Burnham but the Burnham hate burned me out.


And Enterprise has four episodes I can recall, much less will actually go rewatch. None of the characters stand out.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Those strike me as less problematic that the things I mentioned. Drama oriented stuff that won't raise an eyebrow in the broader audience of "the future". Not even sure it did in the past.

STDs arcs were long and boring. There were 5 seasons and only 5 missions. They had so much filler time you would think we would get to know the bridge crew. In 5 years it never happened.

 

[fireproof78]

STDs arcs were long and boring. Pt was 5 seasons and only 5 missions. They had so much filler time you would think we would get to know the bridge crew. In 5 years it never happened.

I knew them just fine.

 

[Farscape One]

Definitely this


Also, there's the simple fact that I don't feel a need to hear more Discovery sux rhetoric and all the "crying all the time" bull that makes me feel like I'm in middle school again.


And there it is.

I love Burnham but the Burnham hate burned me out.


And Enterprise has four episodes I can recall, much less will actually go rewatch. None of the characters stand out.

I don't see calling out Burnham as not who they like an issue or a problem. It's no different than not liking Picard for being pompous and arrogant, or not liking Janeway because she was written inconsistently.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't see calling out Burnham as not who they like an issue or a problem. It's no different than not liking Picard for being pompous and arrogant, or not liking Janeway because she was written inconsistently.

I guess I read this as problematic:

So you have to at least tolerate burnham to get through the show or watch it again.

As "tolerate someone" is not something I hear as a positive.


But, you are correct. I do not like Picard for his arrogance or Janeway for the extremely poor writing of her character and rule violations. However, I also rarely rewatch them too.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

It's already not aging well. Go to the DISCO section and there is very little talk of it.

I would wager because the environment doesn't lend itself well. Look what happens whenever it's brought up, the hate brigade descends with their childish acronyms.

It's hard enough discussing Academy without the same levels of childishness and hate from people who don't watch the show. Even burner accounts made to just spread pedantic comments.

There isn't debate or discussion just barks and sneers.

 

[fireproof78]

I would wager because the environment doesn't lend itself well. Look what happens whenever it's brought up, the hate brigade descends with their childish acronyms.

It's hard enough discussing Academy without the same levels of childishness and hate from people who don't watch the show. Even burner accounts made to just spread pedantic comments.

There isn't debate or discussion just barks and sneers.

And arrogance.

 

[Farscape One]

I guess I read this as problematic:

As "tolerate someone" is not something I hear as a positive.


But, you are correct. I do not like Picard for his arrogance or Janeway for the extremely poor writing of her character and rule violations. However, I also rarely rewatch them too.

Right. And Burnham, for many people, was hard to tolerate for various reasons. Just as it can be hard to tolerate Picard's arrogance or Janeway's inconsistent writing.

 

[fireproof78]

Right. And Burnham, for many people, was hard to tolerate for various reasons. Just as it can be hard to tolerate Picard's arrogance or Janeway's inconsistent writing.

Yes, you are correct.

 

[Elaise]

I agree with this, except for ENT. They had multiple memorable episodes.

Fair enough, I honestly cannot remember them. Though it has been about 8 years since I have seen the show.

But, you are correct. I do not like Picard for his arrogance or Janeway for the extremely poor writing of her character and rule violations. However, I also rarely rewatch them too.

I find the picard commend interesting given that you love Burnham. She has arrogance in spades . Heck, I would argue that she had it far above what we saw in picard. I agree with you on janeway, I wonder if the actor had any influence on her character. When 7 came on board she was a lot more likeable and was a lot better written.

 

[Fateor]

I find the picard commend interesting given that you love Burnham. She has arrogance in spades . Heck, I would argue that she had it far above what we saw in picard.

Yup, and unlike Picard she never really had to pay the price for her arrogance.

I agree with you on janeway, I wonder if the actor had any influence on her character. When 7 came on board she was a lot more likeable and was a lot better written.

Voyager had a lot of behind the scenes problems that have been covered pretty heavily over the years.