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Spoilers The Anisha Mir thread

Also, Caleb's father would have to be dark-skinned, so he couldn't be Ake's biological son, unless Lanthanite genetics work differently from human genetics.
 
Also, Caleb's father would have to be dark-skinned, so he couldn't be Ake's biological son, unless Lanthanite genetics work differently from human genetics.
Reminds me of Martus Mazur being intended to be Guinan's son, depending on how far along things were before they had to write out the Guinan connection. If the casting had already been done that would have been another layer to the unusual biology of El-Aurians.
 
Reminds me of Martus Mazur being intended to be Guinan's son, depending on how far along things were before they had to write out the Guinan connection. If the casting had already been done that would have been another layer to the unusual biology of El-Aurians.

I would've been happy if they'd cast anyone else in the role. Sarandon did a terrible job.
 
I think making Caleb her grandson makes Ake's motivations significantly more self-serving.

Without it, Ake is really identifying with Anisha and perhaps to her detriment.
 
Anisha being a villain would make great sense thematically. Anisha Mir would be a great foil for Ake and also cause Caleb to question his loyalties to Starfleet and Ake.

However I'm not sure that is what will go down. Anisha seemed genuinely distraught and surprised when she received her sentence. I do think that Braka has a vendetta against Anisha for some reason and he's hoping that Caleb and Ake are going to lead him to her.
 
I guess you meant to say: What if Caleb‘s mom is Ake‘s daughter. Otherwise what you said makes no sense. Anisha is Caleb‘s mom.

I don‘t think Ake is in any way related to the Mirs. That would just be unnecessary and a little ridiculous.

yeah thats what i means

i was editing the post and for some reason i kept mixing up there names lol

and as for ake not being related to anisha well who knows its like anything can happen on starfleet academy with the twists and turns
 
Anisha being a villain would make great sense thematically. Anisha Mir would be a great foil for Ake and also cause Caleb to question his loyalties to Starfleet and Ake.

However I'm not sure that is what will go down. Anisha seemed genuinely distraught and surprised when she received her sentence. I do think that Braka has a vendetta against Anisha for some reason and he's hoping that Caleb and Ake are going to lead him to her.

Well, it's hardly unique to have a villain actually love their children.
 
I did take note that Caleb sent a message on what was supposed to be his and his mom's secret private frequency, and then Braka shows up and refers to it as an old Venari Ral frequency.
 
i just relized that anisha is kinda like tatiana characters on her old sci fi tv show orphan black

and how well if you guys remember about orphan black most of the characters tatiana played were mysterious because they were all clones and most of them had no idea where they all came from
 
I did take note that Caleb sent a message on what was supposed to be his and his mom's secret private frequency, and then Braka shows up and refers to it as an old Venari Ral frequency.

Natural enough, since Anisha worked for Braka before their arrest, and she and Caleb must have set up the frequency before they were separated. Of course she would've used the resources available to her at the time, including the communications gear used by the group that employed her. If she was so impoverished that she had to work for a gang of pirates in order to get food for her son, she certainly wouldn't have been able to buy her own separate comm equipment.
 
Natural enough, since Anisha worked for Braka before their arrest, and she and Caleb must have set up the frequency before they were separated. Of course she would've used the resources available to her at the time, including the communications gear used by the group that employed her. If she was so impoverished that she had to work for a gang of pirates in order to get food for her son, she certainly wouldn't have been able to buy her own separate comm equipment.

My "Dark Anisha" theory is based on the following:

* The fact that her involvement in the robbery of a Federation food ship is pretty questionable given she apparently had the friendship of a pirate enough for him to do it for her but couldn't just get access to a replicator or a better planet somewhere.
* The fact that she escaped with Nus Braka.
* The fact that Nus Braka had access to her codes that were pirate ones.
* The fact that she was taking refuge on a Betazoid criminal colony after her escape.
* The fact that Caleb and she haven't reunited despite the fact she would have been able to find him according to their codes but didn't. Which Jet Reno points out is a sign she doesn't care rather than was incapable.

I am curious if felony theft is punishable by 15 or so years in the Federation, though, and the legalese behind that. Basically, how long was she expected to be imprisoned and why did she escape beforehand? Making her far more likely to be a fugitive forever? Why seek refuge among criminals and continue that? The galaxy is a pretty lawless and easy to disappear place. It might be she's just making consistently bad choices but it might be she's a member of the pirates.
 
Reminds me of Martus Mazur being intended to be Guinan's son, depending on how far along things were before they had to write out the Guinan connection. If the casting had already been done that would have been another layer to the unusual biology of El-Aurians.
I have absolutely no memory of that episode even after Googling it.
 
My "Dark Anisha" theory is based on the following:

* The fact that her involvement in the robbery of a Federation food ship is pretty questionable given she apparently had the friendship of a pirate enough for him to do it for her but couldn't just get access to a replicator or a better planet somewhere.

Huh? "Friendship?" She worked for him. He was her Fagin. Practically his first line to her was "Malnutrition really brings out your cheekbones." That's a cruel taunt, not an expression of friendship. And the dialogue in the trial scene suggests that the robbery was the first time that Braka had made Anisha work for him. Braka: "A woman was starving and I had a solution." Ake: "You turned a woman desperate to feed her child into your accomplice."

If anything, the fact that she didn't have access to a replicator is evidence that she wasn't an equal partner. As we see in real life, famine and scarcity are artificially manufactured by elites deliberately hoarding resources and keeping people deprived and hungry as a means of control, even when there's enough to go around. If Anisha had been in a position of power or influence, she presumably would have had access to a replicator. The fact that she and Caleb were starving tells us that they were kept in a subordinate, powerless position. Criminal masterminds do not suffer from malnutrition. They make sure that others do.


* The fact that she escaped with Nus Braka.

A crime boss might take his underlings with him when he escapes. It doesn't mean they're equal partners or friends. Or maybe he arranged a mass escape, or got out in such a way that others were able to take advantage and escape separately. Without more information, it's reckless to make assumptions.


* The fact that Nus Braka had access to her codes that were pirate ones.

As I said above, since she was impoverished and employed by him, naturally the only communication system she would have had access to was his. And he only said he detected Caleb sending a message "on an old Venari frequency" -- not the actual code, just the frequency, and one that's no longer in use, i.e. one Anisha learned before her arrest. So it doesn't even remotely suggest that she's working for them in the present.


* The fact that she was taking refuge on a Betazoid criminal colony after her escape.

Naturally Anisha would have had to operate in the underground upon her escape, since she would've been arrested otherwise. That doesn't make her evil, just someone who has no other options. It's not like Jean Valjean or Richard Kimble could just resume their everyday life after they escaped; they had to wander and stay hidden, to live like fugitives despite not being bad people.

Also, Goja V isn't a Betazoid colony, but an unaffiliated asteroid within the large volume of space behind the Betazoids' "psionic wall," which was 90 light years wide and encompassed 30 inhabited planets and members of hundreds of species. And it's not a "criminal colony," it's an anarchic settlement that's dominated by gangs because there's no government to keep them in check. That doesn't mean everyone there is a criminal or a member of the gangs.


* The fact that Caleb and she haven't reunited despite the fact she would have been able to find him according to their codes but didn't. Which Jet Reno points out is a sign she doesn't care rather than was incapable.

It's natural for storytellers to create mysteries and doubts, but it's just as common for them to reveal that there's a benign explanation for why a character avoided contact for a long time. Storytellers love to mislead, so it's unwise to jump to conclusions.


I am curious if felony theft is punishable by 15 or so years in the Federation, though, and the legalese behind that. Basically, how long was she expected to be imprisoned and why did she escape beforehand? Making her far more likely to be a fugitive forever?

The reason Caleb escaped from Ake as a child was because Anisha told him that he couldn't trust the Federation, that he couldn't trust anyone but her. Presumably Anisha escaped and became a fugitive for the same reason. It's not because she's evil, but because she assumes the Federation is evil and that she can't afford to let them catch her.
 
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i just relized that anisha is kinda like tatiana characters on her old sci fi tv show orphan black

and how well if you guys remember about orphan black most of the characters tatiana played were mysterious because they were all clones and most of them had no idea where they all came from
Uh, no. Most had no idea they were clones. They had families, backgrounds and histories. Anisha is mysterious because we know so little about her,
 
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