We should be running a studio since we're all experts.
*Looks at the clowns currently running Paramount*We should be running a studio since we're all experts.![]()
I don't believe any of us here could run an entertainment business and make any money to keep it running.*Looks at the clowns currently running Paramount*
I really don't think that sarcasm is going to hit the way you were hoping.
Yup, we're all armchair quarterbacks here, and I certainly have no illusions about that.I don't believe any of us here could run an entertainment business and make any money to keep it running.
I've watched too many businesses ventures fail, hell, I've watched fan films fail, because of lack of practical knowledge. I have no illusions of ability to run Star Trek as a business.Yup, we're all armchair quarterbacks here, and I certainly have no illusions about that.
That's why most shows have recaps. And I'm sure I'm older than you.
Yup, we're all armchair quarterbacks here, and I certainly have no illusions about that.
I don't even tune in to Paramount Plus for entertainment anymore.But it’s nice to know that the people who think they know more than they actually do about production will still keep us entertained.
"Ultimately, neither show really broke out, and the majority of the audience would seem to be, to be honest, existing Star Trek fans"I'm not going anywhere! I like observing trainwrecks!
Getting the vibe online, it seems there'll be more hate watchers than love watchers, I hope I am very wrong though.You're going to hate-watch the shit out of this. We all know it.
Most shows are made with the world audience in mind nowadays, not just North America.Maybe I’ve missed someone mentioning this elsewhere, but this review, by the way, reveals what we’ve been wondering about earlier: Jay-Den is described as “queer” (which of course might not mean he’s gay; could also be bi, pan, ace or non-binary, I guess). You just know that certain parts of the fandom will explode with bigotry upon learning this, but I think it’s cool that the show is doing it. I don’t envy the people who’ll have to manage online spaces where these kind of bigots will spew their hatred.
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Fans have a right to complain about things they don't like and it doesn't make their views any less valid than others.Watching the reviews, and the comments, I really do worry at the sheer volume of Star Trek "fans" who are going to shit on this when it comes out. I think this is different from other series as there is a significant cohort of young, and inexperienced actors in this and I can already see there are personal attacks flying at some of them. And the same people who complained that the always adorable Mary Wiseman had gained weight, are now complaining that she's lost weight.....
Being non-fans of a product they started working on is one thing, but these modern producers go out of their way to discuss their sheer disdain for the product.Setting aside that I always thought this was a weird purity test, I think the way you’re phrasing it here is a bit of a misrepresentation. You almost make it sound like the people who said they merely weren’t fans of the franchise before they worked on it professed an active dislike. I have never watched a single episode of, I don’t know, Avatar: The Last Airbender, but that’s just out of ignorance and doesn’t mean I hate the show or whatever. But also, not being a fan of something doesn’t mean not understanding its appeal. I absolutely get why people love Avatar: The Last Airbender and why it’s a cult classic. It just never appealed to me to the extent that I felt like checking it out.
Not to mention that the track record of Trek producers who weren’t fans before working on the franchise creating some of the most cherished periods of Trek is pretty good. Michael Piller, Ira Steven Behr, Nicholas Meyer, Harve Bennett, Akiva Goldsman, the Hageman brothers — all of them have said that they weren’t massive fans, and yet their respective productions count among the most popular of the franchise. Doesn’t seem like there is a necessary correlation between being a fan and producing successful Trek.
Hm, I don’t know about those shows you’re naming, but isn’t it actually the case that stuff like this has always existed? Stanley Kubrick, for example, famously hated Stephen King’s “The Shining” novel, yet it’s a cult classic seen as one of the greatest movies of all time. Same goes for David Lynch and “Dune” or Paul Verhoeven and Heinlein’s “Starship Troopers”, both of which weren’t financial or even critical successes, but certainly garnered a cult following.Being non-fans of a product they started working on is one thing, but these modern producers go out of their way to discuss their sheer disdain for the product.
Go look up Halo's producers words, or the creatives behind The Witcher. They actively hate the stories, the mythologies, the product itself and most of all, all th fans of the product.
Feels like they have a personal agenda to try to destroy everything. Just my take.

The cost wasn't where they needed it to be given the cost?Money.
They spent too much.
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