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Ride or Die: Defend Your Favorite "Bad" Episodes

But the episode I defend to the end is "Shades of Gray". Given the sheer limitations imposed on it by time and budget, they produced an episode that had some pretty good moments, most notably from Riker just before he passed out, and the three leads at the end. And I liked Pulaski better than Crusher anyway. And YES, it was a clip show, but the clips were pretty exciting.

This is the one I defend. Watched it lats night in fact.

I think it really showed the great variety of episodes we'd had in just two years, with the show able to pivot from comedy to high drama very well - something that TNG would do well and I think DS9 would run with. And at the time without the ability to easily rewatch, it acted a good 'summary' of the first two years and at that point recapping episodes some of us had seen almost two years before.

It allowed Pulaski to be a doctor doing doctor stuff in her final episode.

It played the Troi/Riker tension well.

And it's almost 20 minutes before you even get the first flashback, there is stuff in there that isn't flashbacks - there is a story built around the concept.
 
I never got the gripe with Emergence. What, it's silly & simple? Be honest, until the finale, like 75% of season 7 is largely a morale kick in the teeth, of drama, trauma & betrayal. A little soft Star Trek, before the end, was in order imho
I like Emergence too. I could understand someone being a bit annoyed around "is this the very last thing you want to do with your penultimate non-finale episode? One of your last shots, is this it?"
 
I like Emergence too. I could understand someone being a bit annoyed around "is this the very last thing you want to do with your penultimate non-finale episode? One of your last shots, is this it?"
I suppose I just accepted that TNG episode air dates were rather untidy. Two whole seasons never got finales. Some of the mid-season two-parters would've been better season finales than some of the finales they did IMHO. I guess I just stopped caring about how/when the episodes rolled out, & just gave in to accepting any type of episode was possible at any time
 
"Rascals" is a great episode, it only ever got bashed because of weird snootiness among fans.

NO, THIS IS MY INTELLECTUAL SCIENCE FICTION DRAMA THAT ASKS THE BIG QUESTIONS, IT'S ABOVE THIS SORT OF LACKADAISICAL FARE

Picard trying to retake the ship but being thwarted by a fun 3D talking fish on the kids' computer is unironically my favourite moment in TNG.

The philosophizing with Ro and Guinan alone, as well as taking high concept sci-fi in situations that are arguably uncomfortable (hi, O'Brien marriage!) , help a lot. It's not as bad as others could say, but given how easy it was for the Ferengi to take over the Enterprise (even the 1701-D destruction in GEN isn't as contrived) and how the plot became hyperfocused on able-bodied adults as if to consciously bypass the plot-resolving kids, there was some sub-par scripting in this season six escapade.

And, yep, I loved the kids' computer terminal being the roadblock for Picard too. We finally get to see that the ship does have security protocols for various systems in place! Probably because of when Wesley Crusher used the terminal and did who-knows-what while Chief Engineer Shimoda MacDougal Argyle Signh Logan Lynch Whackadoo rotating every other week because they thought that the ship didn't need a consistent lead Engineer in the 24th century or as the ship and divisions were so large they didn't need one lead to handle all the subdivisions. (Except that wasn't conveyed the best, and they're all still in the same department so you'd still have a lead somewhere down there...)
 
I just can't look past "Rascals" worst elements.
- The Ferengi taking the ship in the first place.
- The Ferengi then becoming idiots.
- Picard gets bullied out of the captain's chair because... what? He's shorter and has hair?
- The fact that this process could literally render the human race immortal, but nothing comes of it.

But to defend an episode, one thing I'll say about the overall sub-par pilot: it had what I still regard as one of Trek's sweetest moments: the reunion of the two star jellies.
 
I think Rascals is really fun. Alexander in general seems to get more flak than I think he really deserves.

Honestly, I just love the show. As with TOS, I can take the bad with the good and still enjoy it.

Happily in recent years I’ve noticed the pendulum swinging the other way in regards to Season 1/2. The perceived wisdom that the show doesn’t get good until Season 3 just doesn’t hold up.

Even the absolute stinkers like the one where Wesley falls into some flowers or the one where basically some quasi-African tribe kidnap Tasha I’d defend.

Then stuff like Masks or whatever in Season 6 (or 7?). It’s not the best but I don’t hate it. I’d get into the trenches and defend it.
 
"Code of Honor" is so over-the-top in its racism and general badness that it's an unintentional comedy, up there with "Spock's Brain" and "Threshold."

"Masks" is quite dumb, but seeing the rainforest and Aztec architecture growing on the starship is a cool image.

"Genesis" is a fun bit of insanity. Barclay the Spider and Spot the lizard are the highlights.
 
"Genesis" is a fun bit of insanity. Barclay the Spider and Spot the lizard are the highlights.
Dude... ProtoRiker trying to eat Livingston & hucking Picard's chair was a baller a$$ scene. Salamander Troi was cool too. Even Ogawa looking all Dr. Zira, Planet of The Apes was neat lol


Poor Geordi. We're just gonna ignore that he was probably some blind homohabilis down hiding under the warp core or whatever. That's twice that evolution mutating thing happened to him & we never even saw it :guffaw:
 
I just can't look past "Rascals" worst elements.
- The Ferengi taking the ship in the first place.
- The Ferengi then becoming idiots.
- Picard gets bullied out of the captain's chair because... what? He's shorter and has hair?
- The fact that this process could literally render the human race immortal, but nothing comes of it.

But to defend an episode, one thing I'll say about the overall sub-par pilot: it had what I still regard as one of Trek's sweetest moments: the reunion of the two star jellies.
OK, as annoying as that episode is, I LOVE the scene when Picard, in the body of a child, does a terrible impression of what he thinks bratty kids sound like. That kid actor nailed it. "I want to see my father. I want to see him now. Now, now, now!"
 
I never understood why "The Royale" got so much flack. It's one of those early-season TNG episodes that relishes it's own weirdness, and I think it does so really well.

It's an interesting concept, has some genuine creepiness and mystery, and Worf gets some amazing comedic gems ("We call it Theta 8," "Perhaps these turbolifts can take us there," and his interactions with the room service caller). The idea of being surrounded by a bunch of NPC's is really ahead of its time, actually.
 
It's an interesting concept, has some genuine creepiness and mystery, and Worf gets some amazing comedic gems ("We call it Theta 8," "Perhaps these turbolifts can take us there," and his interactions with the room service caller). The idea of being surrounded by a bunch of NPC's is really ahead of its time, actually.
BTW.
My favorite was his response when Riker said the astronaut died in his sleep: "What a terrible way to die."
 
I never understood why "The Royale" got so much flack. It's one of those early-season TNG episodes that relishes it's own weirdness, and I think it does so really well.

It's an interesting concept, has some genuine creepiness and mystery, and Worf gets some amazing comedic gems ("We call it Theta 8," "Perhaps these turbolifts can take us there," and his interactions with the room service caller). The idea of being surrounded by a bunch of NPC's is really ahead of its time, actually.
I feel like there can be a general, unmerited disdain for episodes that feature what I call the "A Piece of The Action" factor, when instead of space or alien world themed settings, Star Trek uses the much more affordable period sets/costumes of Earth. It takes a special kind of plot to put our futuristic astronauts in those scenarios & have it play well to a sci-fi audience, who are eager for space fantasy. Time travel concepts help a lot. Holodeck stories pick up some of the slack (which The Royale flirts with being)

I'm always forgiving of this aspect, IF there's some kind of good concept behind it, especially since I understand that it's helpful budgetarily. I wouldn't rank The Royale as the best of those, but it's got something to go on, tying it to the dead astronaut, in an inventive way. It's a smarter premise than just "Oh, this world is inhabited by 20s gangsters, because cultural pollution" lol.

My only gripe with this episode is Picard so snobbishly finding the book to be crappy. My dude... You play a noir detective on the holodeck! How much better written can Dixon Hill possibly be? I've seen some of those programs, my guy. :guffaw:
 
My only gripe with this episode is Picard so snobbishly finding the book to be crappy. My dude... You play a noir detective on the holodeck! How much better written can Dixon Hill possibly be? I've seen some of those programs, my guy. :guffaw:
I never made that connection but it's a good point. Picard's tastes in novels/programs were all over the place.
 
I never made that connection but it's a good point. Picard's tastes in novels/programs were all over the place.
Realistically, it's another of the character concept vs realized actor contribution issues. Dixon Hill was probably baked into Picard before Patrick Stewart was factored into the part. Also Picard interjecting French words like merde, which got phased out. lol

Fencing, Shakespeare, archeology etc... now we might be seeing the actor bleed into the character some.
 
I never made that connection but it's a good point. Picard's tastes in novels/programs were all over the place.
Maybe like Patrick Stewart himself. He made a teeny-bopper Die Hard clone called "Masterminds" that was completely awful, and it seemed obvious that he knew he was in a bad movie and had just decided to have fun with it.
 
I never understood why "The Royale" got so much flack. It's one of those early-season TNG episodes that relishes it's own weirdness, and I think it does so really well.

It's an interesting concept, has some genuine creepiness and mystery, and Worf gets some amazing comedic gems ("We call it Theta 8," "Perhaps these turbolifts can take us there," and his interactions with the room service caller). The idea of being surrounded by a bunch of NPC's is really ahead of its time, actually.

It's hit or miss at times, but it's a clever use of the "fish out of water" that doesn't feel overdone or using an oversized mallet to say "ha-ha-ain't-I-funnee" (which TFF sadly descended into). The big reveal/climax (paraphrased) where aliens rescued a human and put him in this simulation under the misguided belief that the book reflected real life is very tragic, and - tragic element aside - may have been partial inspiration for that late-90s historical document called "Galaxy Quest".

Say what you want about "Code of Honor", it has a laser cage spiked ball catfight. If anything can make a movie or TV episode so bad it's good, it's that.

The episode is a misfire, but most of the "catfight" isn't bad. And given the use of fluorescent lights to simulate flesh-tearing razors as the cost to superimpose cel animation or then-possible CGI overlaid (since direct integration was not cost-effective), the dangers OF the set do make the scene that much more tense, if not as accidental 4th wall happenstance.

The basic plot idea that Picard would ditch his prime directive while Lutan adheres to his code of honor is also interesting, despite the poor scripting and handling of it. If nothing else, Kirk would be more in-character to react that way.

I feel like there can be a general, unmerited disdain for episodes that feature what I call the "A Piece of The Action" factor, when instead of space or alien world themed settings, Star Trek uses the much more affordable period sets/costumes of Earth. It takes a special kind of plot to put our futuristic astronauts in those scenarios & have it play well to a sci-fi audience, who are eager for space fantasy. Time travel concepts help a lot. Holodeck stories pick up some of the slack (which The Royale flirts with being)

It'd be interesting if "A Piece of the Action" had been made without as much overt comedy. it almost feels self-aware as the TOS trope of "Previous starship captain left something behind and contaminated the locals". Actually, "Patterns of Force" is a great example of the same trope played utter serious. Both stories have their fans and detractors, so it's nice that the same trope could largely be carried out similarly - just change the historical reference and name of captain. One way or another, the story will ♪ rub you the right way ♫ /ThatsNotTheJohnGillReferenceYouWereExpecting.

I'm always forgiving of this aspect, IF there's some kind of good concept behind it, especially since I understand that it's helpful budgetarily. I wouldn't rank The Royale as the best of those, but it's got something to go on, tying it to the dead astronaut, in an inventive way. It's a smarter premise than just "Oh, this world is inhabited by 20s gangsters, because cultural pollution" lol.

^^this

Plus, it was recent when I'd read that Maurice Hurley had rewrote it (to the dismay of Torme) and Hurley's changes had a positive impact, as well as reduction in humor to allow the more dramatic/tragic angles have more weight to them (IMHO, YMMV).

My only gripe with this episode is Picard so snobbishly finding the book to be crappy. My dude... You play a noir detective on the holodeck! How much better written can Dixon Hill possibly be? I've seen some of those programs, my guy. :guffaw:

LOL! Great point. Picard, being enlightened 24th century and all, doesn't seem to be the type (especially post-season 2) to be so selective as such. I do wonder, though, and in accidental and abstract hindsight, if "Dixon Hill" can work as a loose metaphor regarding the quality of TNG seasons 3-7 whereas "The Royale" is metaphor for seasons 1-2. Same genre (or in this case, same series) but the tone and style of both being so different at times. Heck, TNG1-4 vs 5-7 is another schism in its own ways too. Yet both "Hill" and "Royale" are the same genre... even in the 24th century, it still shows how entertainment is based on the audience's preferences. A shame Picard never really got interested in Holmes beyond donning a top hat to tell the sentient hologram to "go away" ...
 
"The Royale" is so baffling in concept that I can't help but be entertained by it. There should be nothing especially funny about our characters fumbling their way through an intentionally bad novel brought to life, and yet, I chuckle every time at the incredibly flat novel characters and their incredibly bad dialogue. Data dropping a "Baby needs a new pair of shoes" gets me every single time. So does the shot where the crew are clearly just walking around the revolving door and acting like it's a moment of tension. It's not even that they sell anything particularly well. As for things that aren't unintentional comedy, I actually like that they get virtually no resolution or explanation as to why the aliens are still keeping the casino going for a dead man. It's an interesting outcome and drives home that space is vast, space is weird and space doesn't always give you neat and tidy explanations.

I unironically like "Masks." I genuinely think the concept of living out the weird animistic rituals of a long-dead alien civilization is cool, and Spiner is clearly having fun playing basically every character. Say what you will about some of the execution, but it makes for a perfectly serviceable and light-hearted hour of TV, especially if you turn off the analytical part of your brain and just enjoy the scenery.

"Night Terrors" is one of those I can watch again and again and be happy with every time. Is it the best episode? Not by a long shot, but it does have some fun creepy moments. Crusher in the morgue getting startled by the bodies appearing to sit up is by far my favourite scene in the episode. I also like that they gave Troi a chance to save the day, even if the special effects were janky.

"Code of Honor" is absolutely terrible, but if you watch it as if it's "Plan 9 From Outer Space," you can get a few yuks out of it. Bonus points to Lutan chewing the scenery like a maniac while yelling "THEN YOU SHALL HAVE NO TREATY, NO VACCINE, AND NO LIEUTENANT YAR!" and Picard just looking like someone slapped him in the face with a piece of cheese.
 
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