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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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I wonder if we'll see Xavier die in this one. For the fourth time. ;)

Final closing credit scene will be at a X-Men cemetery. We will see a close up of Xavier's tombstone. Then Deadpool shows up for his cameo. He and Patrick Stewart are looking at the grave and then Deadpool says something like " I hear they are replacing you with Josh O'Connor" or whoever it is they have casted as his replacement. "Should have brought back McAvoy."
 
I wonder if we'll see Xavier die in this one. For the fourth time. ;)
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Deaged Josh Brolin confirmed
Nah, I'm still saying Sadie Sink is Rachel and she's on the run from Doom.
Maybe it's just me but I see the movie as maybe already setting up it's theme and it's not just going to be a bunch of cameos. I feel like this movie is going to be about Family with a special emphasis on fatherhood. Rogers and Thor being dads was the main focus of both of their trailers. Franklin Richards I think is going to be a big part of the story and I would not be shocked if Black Panthers son is as well. Plus I think it's been established that Cassie is on the movie and she is Ant-Mans daughter. Also don't be shocked if we see Iron Man's daughter as well. Professor X and Magneto are basically father figure types.
And if the follow the comics then Xavier and Lensherr are also both fathers.
It took a long time to get to a place where I actually like the MCU as an IP, so forgive me for being angry that it's sliding back into being a shitpile.
Which is ironic, because it's been the opposite for most people, most people loved it at the beginning and are losing interest now.
In an X-Men Universe.

There's no actual evidence that Monica ended up on Earth-100005.

There's also no actual evidence that the XMCU actors who are returning for Doomsday are playing their Earth-10005 characters
I doubt very much that they won't be the original FoXmen, the whole idea behind something like this to revist with familiar characters, and it loses most of the impact if they're not the familiar characters.
OK, yes Hugh Jackman did play a new version of Wolverine in Deadpool and Wolverine, but that was partly because they didn't want to contradict the definitive ending we got for the original FoXmen Wolverine in Logan, and we still got all of the other returning actors playing the original versions of their characters. The rest of the FoXmen never really got that much of a conclusion to their stories, so this would be the perfect opportunity to finally give them the big farewell they deserve.
 
The first Avengers movie was based on a gimmick. Bring together several superhero characters who have already had their own movie or were already established. Something you might see in a comic book but never before in the movies. If we don't count Jay and Silent Bob Strikes Back. It does feel desperate but you know as far as desperation acts go it's not so bad of a idea. The movie it makes me think of is Deadpool and Wolverine and that turned out to be a successful and fun movie.

I hated Deadpool 3 for precisely the reason it was about dredging up old characters while completely forgetting about the series' actual supporting cast.

Also, Avengers was the culmination of multiple movies that were deliberately building toward the team movie.
 
And Captain American 4 didn't bomb, despite all the doom mongering saying otherwise

See, I wouldn't know anymore. Because I stopped giving a shit about what other people think.
"Oh no, the financial numbers say this and that means you need to adapt your opinion depending on what that says."
"Oh no, RT and IMDB show these numbers so others need to adapt their thoughts and feelings about this movie to the general opinion."

Bomb, succes, flop, hit. Fuck that noise. I watch, I like or dislike. That's where it begins and ends for me. What the rest of the world thinks about a movie or a show is not my issue.

The fact that there are people in this topic right now trying to convince others to hate Deadpool 3 because it has what they call fanwank, tells me they only want others to align with them and they have zero interest into letting other people enjoy what they enjoy. I
 
The biggest hit that Disney has had in the post-covid era was Deadpool and Wolverine, which was in large part a nostalgia-fueled trip through the Fox Marvel movies. The biggest hit the MCU had overall in the post-covid era was NWH, which was a nostalgia-fueled trip through the earlier two Spider-Man series. Seems pretty clear that general audiences want nostalgia.

On Brave New World, I'm not going to claim that it was a flop, but it only exceeded Thunderbolts at the box office by $10 million, and we know that it had much, much heavier reshoots, meaning it almost certainly lost the studio a lot more money.
 
See, I wouldn't know anymore. Because I stopped giving a shit about what other people think.
"Oh no, the financial numbers say this and that means you need to adapt your opinion depending on what that says."
"Oh no, RT and IMDB show these numbers so others need to adapt their thoughts and feelings about this movie to the general opinion."

Bomb, succes, flop, hit. Fuck that noise. I watch, I like or dislike. That's where it begins and ends for me. What the rest of the world thinks about a movie or a show is not my issue.

The fact that there are people in this topic right now trying to convince others to hate Deadpool 3 because it has what they call fanwank, tells me they only want others to align with them and they have zero interest into letting other people enjoy what they enjoy. I
Agreed 100%. I say that as someone who was disappointed by Brave New World but understands why some people love that film. I say that as someone who largely loved Deadpool & Wolverine but understands why some people hate that film.

That's all that matters.
 
Seems pretty clear that general audiences want nostalgia.

There's a long history of filmmakers pandering to what they think the audience wants. This does not in any way, shape, or form correspond to quality storytelling, so pointing it out is not in any way, shape, or form a defense of the practice.
 
There's a long history of filmmakers pandering to what they think the audience wants. This does not in any way, shape, or form correspond to quality storytelling, so pointing it out is not in any way, shape, or form a defense of the practice.

Yeah, I'm in no way claiming box office correlates to quality. Thunderbolts was probably my favorite theatrical MCU release since GOTG3. It actually has coherent themes, and had the guts to have a finale where the "bad guy" is not defeated by combat (something not done since Doctor Strange). But it had a mediocre run at the box office.

That said, Disney is a for-profit company which has made a lot of bad bets on supposed blockbusters in recent years, so I can see why their business interest now is to play it safe.
 
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Yeah, I'm in no way claiming box office correlates to quality. Thunderbolts was probably my favorite theatrical MCU release since GOTG3. It actually has coherent themes, and had the guts to have a finale where the "bad guy" is not defeated by combat (something not done since Dr. Strange).

I appreciate that Thunderbolts decided against having a super heavy CGI finale which alot of MCU movies suffer from. Sometimes we don't need a CGI dragon swirling around like Shang-Chi which could have ended with a really personal fight instead.
 
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