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How bad is Andromeda?

EDIT: I'm home now was typing on a phone. Can say more now season 4 wasn't total shit there were a few good episodes here and there, but I couldn't name them but towards the middle and end of the season it was noticeable how downhill the show went and the season 4 finale well yeah that was a thing. I thought that was the series finale the way things happened.

But then you get season 5 and Dylan Hunt space Jesus saving the universe as we know it. I did like Brandy Ledford as Doyle, thought she was funny. Harper built her but even she didn't succumb to his wishes and wants. But she was protective of him.
 
Yeah, that's the one. I didn't watch the video so I'm not sure if they mention, but I'm pretty sure they used in at least one or two episodes of DS9 and possibly Voyager too.
 
Season three, episode sixteen, "Point of the Spear", Tyr has no arm jaggons, he must have lost them in one of the episodes I skipped. I'll have to skim skipped ones.
 
Found a slightly modified Klingon bat'leth, the Sword of Kahless version, in Tyr's quarters, hanging on the wall. "Day of Judgement, Day of Wrath", about thirty seconds in:

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Found a slightly modified Klingon bat'leth, the Sword of Kahless version, in Tyr's quarters, hanging on the wall. "Day of Judgement, Day of Wrath", about thirty seconds in:

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It's an official channel, probably region restricted.

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(screen grab from another load, as they have it rigged so I couldn't even take a screen grab -- came out black)
 
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I haven’t actually watched Andromeda since it originally aired. I remember being interested enough to watch most of the first and some of the second season at least. I never found it all that good, but it was entertaining enough to pass an hour and I was a sucker for my space opera sci-fi.

But it steadily got worse, and the cast never gelled with me. Kevin Sorbo is not, in my view, an actor. He just read lines and wanted to look tough and cool. Robert Hewitt Wolfe’s ousting was by all accounts the death knell. It was never an outstanding show tp begin with, but he had ambition and whatever was interesting about it was promptly gone and it was just an increasingly dumb action show.

Farscape was running concurrently and was just an insanely, massively better show in every respect, so I stuck with that and never looked back. I still rewatch Farscape every few years. I have no desire to revisit Andromeda whatsoever. Maybe my opinion may have softened over the years, but just the thought of sitting through it is deeply unappealing to me. Life is too short basically.

I’m amazed it ran quite as long as it did, so there’s that.
 
Farscape was running concurrently and was just an insanely, massively better show in every respect, so I stuck with that and never looked back.

I would've loved to see the hard science fiction sensibilities of Andromeda combined with the production values and creature-making skills of Farscape. I often regretted that Majel Roddenberry sold Gene R.'s unmade concepts to Tribune Entertainment instead of the Jim Henson Studio.

Although Henson might not have been able to pull off Farscape's production values on a second show at the same time. They were only able to make Farscape's production values and effects so elaborate because they produced the show at a loss, which they were willing to do because they used it to advertise their work to companies that might hire them to produce commercials and industrial films. So they lost money on Farscape because it helped them make money in other ways. (Kind of like how NBC was able to keep Star Trek TOS on the air for three seasons despite its low ratings because it made their parent company RCA a profit by inspiring sales of color televisions.)
 
I would've loved to see the hard science fiction sensibilities of Andromeda combined with the production values and creature-making skills of Farscape. I often regretted that Majel Roddenberry sold Gene R.'s unmade concepts to Tribune Entertainment instead of the Jim Henson Studio.

Although Henson might not have been able to pull off Farscape's production values on a second show at the same time. They were only able to make Farscape's production values and effects so elaborate because they produced the show at a loss, which they were willing to do because they used it to advertise their work to companies that might hire them to produce commercials and industrial films. So they lost money on Farscape because it helped them make money in other ways. (Kind of like how NBC was able to keep Star Trek TOS on the air for three seasons despite its low ratings because it made their parent company RCA a profit by inspiring sales of color televisions.)

I had no idea Farscape ran at a loss. That’s really interesting to hear. Certainly, the production values were astonishing, they did such a job at creating a truly vivid universe; it was so rich, expansive, visually stunning and extremely alien. It definitely spoiled Trek for me back at the time as it was a whole different league. Although it was really the characters, the acting and writing that I found most compelling. I rarely “ship” anyone, I’m not that much of a romantic, but the Crichton/Aeryn relationship was one the best romances I’ve ever seen on television and I was totally invested. It wasn’t perfect all the time, but I still miss that show so much, twenty plus years on.
 
I had no idea Farscape ran at a loss. That’s really interesting to hear. Certainly, the production values were astonishing, they did such a job at creating a truly vivid universe; it was so rich, expansive, visually stunning and extremely alien. It definitely spoiled Trek for me back at the time as it was a whole different league. Although it was really the characters, the acting and writing that I found most compelling. I rarely “ship” anyone, I’m not that much of a romantic, but the Crichton/Aeryn relationship was one the best romances I’ve ever seen on television and I was totally invested. It wasn’t perfect all the time, but I still miss that show so much, twenty plus years on.
I am slowly going thru the Farscape episodes on Tubi. Almost finished with 1st season. Enjoying a lot more than I did Andromeda.
 
So, season three was ... well, it happened, that's for sure.

Little to no progress, more mysteries set up not answered; the lame change in Rev's appearance which while in real life was due to the make up and his health, still makes no sense since it was only for a small PART of the episode and he did not return as a crew member; sudden additional crew that appeared with no prior explanation, obviously from the new Commonwealth command, but it was not mentioned in advance and there was no greeting episode, especially when Beka says one is a good friend (since WHEN???).

Then there is the massively disappointing and lackluster season three finale, that felt rushed, bloated with zero pay off, and was emotionally empty. If it wasn't for the brief Tyr scenes around the end (and one good exchange, covered below), there would have been nothing there. If anything, the finale threw away everything that was set up for an action series next season. felt like I had wasted three seasons and got nothing in return, then lost a key member of the crew in the process due to behind-the-scenes fuckery.

I got the strong sense with everybody's interactions and the general look on Kevin's face and demeanor, that things had fallen apart already behind the scenes and they knew that was a death-nail turning point in the series. It didn't just affect the cast, you could see somebody didn't like a lot of things in general, and changed special effects to entirely new ones, changes weapons colors to different colors, changed the slipstream vortex appears COMPLETELY, and sudden new weapons that were not there before. And now Andromeda has endless weapons like the U.S.S. voyager; before hand on multiple occasions she had to tell them they had a limited supply, were running out, needed time and supplies to make more, they didn't just get pulled out of her butt at will.


The good exchange:

Tyr: "You're orders, Captain?"
Dylan: "Kill the bastards."
 
You’re reaching the point it just keeps getting better and better (bar one or two early s2 stinkers). So many twists and turns ahead. Enjoy!

The early season 2 bullshit, are fake star trek scripts intended for season 1, before they did that amazing arc to top off the first season, that really let you know that these kids can cook.
 
More than likely. Lots of productions steal from each other when it comes to props and stuff
I can't remember where I saw it, but a while back I saw an article tracing all of the different shows Trelane's costumes from The Squire of Gothos appeared in. I know Gilligan wore in dream sequence on Gilligan's Island, and Davy Jones wore it on The Monkeys, there might have been more, but those are the only two that really I've seen , so they're the only ones I remember.
I am slowly going thru the Farscape episodes on Tubi. Almost finished with 1st season. Enjoying a lot more than I did Andromeda.
If you're a comic book reader, I would highly recommend the post-Peacekeeper Wars comics, they're co-written by Keith R.A. DeCandido, and the show's creator and showrunner, Rockne S. O'Bannon. I've read the first four miniseries so far, and they're a fantastic continuation of the story.
 
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