Man of Steel.
DC Cinematic Universe ( The James Gunn era)
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I would genuinely pay to see a goddamn All-Star Batman movie but only as a goddamn Elseworlds not the real goddamn thing.
Some will take this as simple snark, but the fact is that Snyder’s tendencies to fetishize masculine power and to validate selfishness as a philosophy are very much in the right-wing wheelhouse.
Man of Steel Appreciation
I personally love Man of Steel. It is my favorite version of Superman on film. I wrote an extensive review when it came out and talked at length about it in a podcast. I wanted to start this tread to talk about the movie with other people positively. There are may forums online where people...
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Is "Look, his opinion changed over ten years!" an attempted gotcha? It'd be a lame effort.Man of Steel Appreciation
I personally love Man of Steel. It is my favorite version of Superman on film. I wrote an extensive review when it came out and talked at length about it in a podcast. I wanted to start this tread to talk about the movie with other people positively. There are may forums online where people...
The scary people are the ones who see the world the way they did thirty or fifty years ago. Probably shouldn't be allowed to operate heavy machinery.
That’s facile. Nobody said “MoS and Snyder suck,” I said certain aspects of his films are right-coded, with examples. If you don’t want to engage with it, that’s your prerogative, but it’s not an illegitimate line of analysis.
The cubical Bizarro world has existed off-and-on in Superman's fictional universe since at least the 1950s.
It's a comic book. Stop treating it as if it's in any way plausible as "science fiction."
Indeed. In a decade or two you might even cool on SNW and Superman '25.Is "Look, his opinion changed over ten years!" an attempted gotcha? It'd be a lame effort.
The scary people are the ones who see the world the way they did thirty or fifty years ago. Probably shouldn't be allowed to operate heavy machinery.
In a decade or two I'll most likely have cooled on...everything.
I really love how it was done in Superman & Lois.
Yeah, the cubical Earth visual was one of the highlights of what was the show’s weakest season overall.
Whereas I thought it was one of the things that made it the show's weakest season. I found it deeply incongruous that they went for a serious, solemn tone to the show overall but juxtaposed it with such ludicrous concepts as Bizarro Earth. The tonal mismatch badly undermined what they were trying to do. Maybe I could've bought it if it had just been another parallel Earth, but bringing in the deliberate ludicrousness of a cubical planet and star was just a step too far. It was like putting on a performance of King Lear where everyone's wearing clown noses. How are we supposed to take that seriously?
Wasn’t a problem for me, or seemingly for most viewers. I remember laughing out loud — in delight, not derision — when I first saw it.
Serious, solemn tone or no, it’s still a funnybook show about a flying laser-eyed space alien. You can only ground that shit so much, and there’s no real reason to try. It’s still okay to have a little fun with it. More than okay — it’s desirable.
It did not. That's employing the fallacy of Trank and Snyder, serving no purpose but to suck the imaginative fun out of a popular fantasy. Even Trek went down that gopher hole during the Roddenberry/Berman era.
Enough! Stop portraying creative decisions you don't like as some shortcoming or failure of the artists to live up to your interpretation of their assignment.
The audience is never wrong about what they like.
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Richard Matheson would disagree. His philosophy was that if you want to include a fantastic element in a story, it's important to keep everything around it as grounded and believable as possible to facilitate suspension of disbelief.
Although I'll concede that it is possible to balance absurd, comical concepts with compelling drama; Japanese tokusatsu and anime shows are quite effective at doing that. But in this case, it didn't work for me, perhaps because season 1 had taken a mostly grounded tone and throwing in something this ridiculous just didn't fit the show's style and wasn't earned.
And suspension of disbelief has its limits. There are always things that can push an audience member too far and that they just can't accept, no matter how much else they're willing to buy. For instance, there are people who can suspend disbelief about magic and demons existing in a historical setting but protest loudly at anachronisms or errors of historical fact. For me, a cubical planet or star just goes too far. It's one thing to suspend disbelief about a character having a power that lets him defy gravity. At least then gravity still works, just with certain exceptions. It's another thing to throw out the laws of gravity and geophysics altogether and depict a planet-sized mass not pulled into a sphere by its own gravity, or a cubical body where gravity is somehow perpendicular to the surface at every point rather than pulling in toward the center of mass and leaving the edges and corners in hard vacuum as the atmosphere is pulled inward. It's just too distractingly large an impossibility, and for me it gets in the way.
A quick check shows this is fan art, not an official poster as I first assumed, given the teaser trailer’s imminent release. Still nice, though.
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