Yep, this is all pretty much common knowledge for the last 20+ years.
20 years ago tonight the Enterprise finale aired. So....what's your opinion two decades on?
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Yep, this is all pretty much common knowledge for the last 20+ years.
Huh? Despite its status as a heaping pile of crap, it is still considered canon by CBS/Paramount.
Yeah, it's terrible, but it's canon.
A lot of crap episodes on a whole lot of Trek shows and movies are considered canon.
That's VERY true. But there were still a few "what were they THINKING?!" moments.
Hence the damage done to the franchise...
I’m confused. Are you backpedaling your statement about it not being canon?
As for the ‘damage,’ TATV was bad, but it didn’t damage the franchise. The creative decisions of Rick Berman and UPN did that. TATV was just a symptom of a much larger problem.
I'm saying that it isn't canon in my eyes regardless of the IP holders opinion and stance of the shows legitimacy regarding canon.
You can excuse a few little mistakes here and there in an single episode or line of dialog, when it comes the the premise of an entire TV show with 4 series and 10 movies before it being based on something as preposterous of depicting a ship that never existed in the universe history, it is profoundly incompetent and shows a lack of care given to the integrity of said universe.
You are welcome to think it’s not canon. I don’t argue about people’s headcanon. But you made it sound like CBS/ Paramount didn’t think it was canon, and that was incorrect.
Star Trek Enterprise was great. Fuck critics
Fandom is like this in most franchise type shows... you think we're bad here the Star Wars fans love to whinge even more when things get changed even the tiniest little bit. And don't get me started on Dr Who fans they are shocking. I left the reddit forums for a month or two because people just can't stop whinging
Fandom is like this in most franchise type shows... you think we're bad here the Star Wars fans love to whinge even more when things get changed even the tiniest little bit. And don't get me started on Dr Who fans they are shocking. I left the reddit forums for a month or two because people just can't stop whinging
Everything about that finale was an insult. To Trip and T'Pol, to the NX-01 crew, to Shran, and to us. When Jonathan Frakes, the John Ratzenburger of Star Trek, freely admits he shouldn't have been there, you know it was a massive screwing of the pooch.
Not saying it wasn't canon. But it sure shouldn't be!
That final episode is easy to disregard from the canon is anyone chooses, including for the producers of Trek. A tale told from Riker's point of view, 200 years after the fact, it's probably as accurate as any historical biopic set in 1805 made in 2005.
Given Bashir and O'Brien asking Worf about Klingon flat-heads, when Starfleet was involved in the events behind it all testifies as to the lack of accuracy of historical accounts in the 24th Century.
That's before we get to the idea of Riker re-writing the program to satisfy his own fantasies (the horndog probably wanted to get rid of the competition to get himself a piece of Vulcan totty)
Given Bashir and O'Brien asking Worf about Klingon flat-heads, when Starfleet was involved in the events behind it all testifies as to the lack of accuracy of historical accounts in the 24th Century.
That's before we get to the idea of Riker re-writing the program to satisfy his own fantasies (the horndog probably wanted to get rid of the competition to get himself a piece of Vulcan totty)
Also, it's entirely conceivable that characters like Phlox and Mayweather were no longer on the Enterprise in 2161. Phlox would likely have returned to his extended family, and Mayweather would probably be someone's first officer. But since they're with Archer for his most crucial missions, Riker adds them to the program.
I'll probably get into quite some trouble when I say I didn't find TATV *that* bad.
Okay, it was absolutely terrible as a series finale ... but had it been broadcast somewhen mid-season, it would probably have been an okay crossover episode. Except for Trip's death, of course.
Okay, it was absolutely terrible as a series finale ... but had it been broadcast somewhen mid-season, it would probably have been an okay crossover episode. Except for Trip's death, of course.
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