Kes Returns - what episode would you have made?

[Akiraprise]

Enough of the bickering at each other. The next one that continues after this point gets a warning.

Lynx you're the primary escalator here and you're now reply banned for 48 hours since you did not heed me earlier. Use the cool down period wisely.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Earth Girls are Easy.

So much faster than Voyager, Kes goes to Earth to see what the big deal was, and meets the families of the Voyager crew, to rest concerns, and visits all the local hot-spots her "friends" told her were the best. This lasts a couple years, until Voyager finally gets home, and Kes is waiting for them, but then she dies of natural causes seconds before Voyager's gangplank drops, because she is nine years old.

 

[WarpTenLizard]

I've long fantasized about "Fury" as a two-parter, but....my ideaes were a bit simpler.

Idea #1: Same storyline, but with Kes's descent into rage/insanity explained, and she teams up with Seska (who hasn't been outed as a spy yet).

Idea #2: Make it about Kes trying to restore the "Before and After" timeline.

 

[rocketscientist]

Neelix and the Real Girl.

Lonely Neelix rebuilds his lost girlfriend on the holodeck. Eventually he realizes that he is sad and creepy after a conversation with the Doctor, so he asks Captain Janeway on a real date, in the real world.

She rejects him, and they both go home to cry themselves to sleep.

The Doctor and Holo Kes live happily ever after.

Not bad!

They were desperate to do something different from other Trek, and didn't think through the possible audience reaction.

Yep, that's the only explanation. The Ocampa were just a badly thought out alien species, and, ultimately, it really shackled the Kes character right from the get-go.

Earth Girls are Easy.

So much faster than Voyager, Kes goes to Earth to see what the big deal was, and meets the families of the Voyager crew, to rest concerns, and visits all the local hot-spots her "friends" told her were the best. This lasts a couple years, until Voyager finally gets home, and Kes is waiting for them, but then she dies of natural causes seconds before Voyager's gangplank drops, because she is nine years old.

Plus, the whole relationship was creepy as hell. She's basically a child, and he..... was not.

Yeah, the whole Neelix-Kes relationship looks horrible. 2 year old runs off with space-truck driving man!

It's one of those things where you truly wonder what the heck the creators were thinking with regard to both characters. Lien and Philips are both good actors, but I never cared for either of their characters as written. Neelix, in particular, was tremendously irritating. Neelix, to me, is the Jar-Jar Binks of Star Trek while Kes is just cloying.

And Harry Kim and Chakotay are just boring. Bah!

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

What if a group of Ocampa had settled on Kelemane's planet? Would their lifespan be determined by the way they experienced time there, or by how much Voyager time had passed?

 

[ILoveVoyager]

Definitely not.
She's a great character who really represent the spirit of Star Trek.
To learn and explore.


Unfortunatel I must state that trying to go through this script was impossible. I gave up after a third of it.

This episode and everything with it, re-made or not makes me wanna puke on the keyboard and I do find that unnecessary and destructive.

The best "Kes returns" story is Coming Home which can be found at the Kes Website.
The best Voyager episode never made!

not to be mean or whatever, but why is kes like... such a big deal for you?

 

[Lynx]

not to be mean or whatever, but why is kes like... such a big deal for you?

Because she's a great character!

She's beautiful but also strong-willed, brave, curious, determined and smart.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Voyager as well as every one on Voyager is assimilated except Neelix and Kes. Voyager is transforming into a cube over the course of 42 minutes, where during Nelix and Kes keep tying to sabotage the transformation, and save the crew, but because they're both unasimilatable due to being very, very undesirable, and extremely non threatening, the Borg continue to leave them both alone, that after a while becomes extremely insulting, so they act out childishly.

Neelix and Kes are eventually marooned on an isolated moon by the benevolent Borg after THEIR NEAR INFINITE patience finally runs out.

 

[Sam_I_Am]

Because she's a great character!

She's beautiful but also strong-willed, brave, curious, determined and smart.

Which one of those adjectives wouldn’t apply to Torres, Seven, Janeway, Jadzia, Ezri, Uhura, Bev, Deanna, Ortagas, La’an et al?

 

[BohandiAnsoid]

They certainly do to Seven, B'Elanna abd Janeway too. As do to Kes. We should have all 4 of them. At the same time.

 

[Oddish]

Which one of those adjectives wouldn’t apply to Torres, Chakotay, Picard, Seven, Riker, Sisko, Janeway, O'Brien, Data, Paris, Jadzia, Kirk, Spock, Ezri, Scotty, Bashir, Uhura, Odo, Bev, Tuvok, Kim, Deanna, Bashir, Ortagas, Worf, La’an et al?

FTFY. There's few characters of either sex on Star Trek who we don't aspire to be like. That's why characters like Barclay, Quark, or Neelix are so important... they're not stalwart heroes who have all the answers.

 

[Lynx]

Which one of those adjectives wouldn’t apply to Torres, Seven, Janeway, Jadzia, Ezri, Uhura, Bev, Deanna, Ortagas, La’an et al?

All, except for the last two.
But at the same time evidence that kes never should have been dumped.

 

[Oddish]

No. She shouldn't have. Chakotay and Harry were better candidates for removal: the former because his very existence was the work of a charlatan, and the latter because they actively chose not to do anything with the character.

 

[Dukhat]

Robert Beltran: Constantly flubbing his lines because, well, he's not that great of an actor.

Garrett Wang: Habitually late for work, kind of a fuckup.

Jennifer Lien: Somewhat satisfactory as an actress, but fired due to unresolved personal issues that affected her performance.

None of these choices seem better or worse than the others, but in Lien's case, if some sort of mental illness was making things bad for her and everyone else, that would have been a better and more legitimate reason to let her go. Unlike the other two, she obviously needed more help than just acting better and waking up earlier.

 

[Oddish]

If they eliminated all three and brought in Seven, they would have (no pun intended) seven main characters. And a decisive message to the viewer that no one was safe.

They wouldn't even have to kill them all. Harry could have stayed with Tal in "The Disease", being genuinely in live with her, and adding that her group are on their own and will need his skills. Kes leaves the way she did in "The Gift" (and no "Fury", please). And in the "Night" situation where Janeway decides to sacrifice herself to save the crew, Chakotay bops her on the noodle and boards the shuttle in her place. And tells her in his final message to her that he understands why it couldn't go anywhere, but he never stopped loving her.

 

[Dukhat]

Chakotay and Kim ended up being redundant characters, and the only reason that prevented Tom and Belanna from having the same fate was that the writers decided to get them hitched even though they had no real chemistry to speak of.

 

[tomalak301]

To answer the year old question, one of the missed opportunities of Season 7 was they didn't do any thing else with the Borg Civil War as it was intimated on at the end of Unimatrix 0. I would have changed Endgame to the point where old Janeway doesn't come back but it's a 2 part episode that brings back the U0 Borg, 8472, and Kes. Then it would have done a few things. It would have finished Kes's role of bringing the crew home, it would have brought back the U0 Borg, and it would have answered the question In the Flesh didn't answer, which was why did 8472 want to purge the galaxy of all life. You could have even brought back Arturus as a U0 Borg and make him understand finally why Janeway did what she did.

 

[Uncle Sock]

I’d scrap Fury altogether and bring Kes back for the final season. That said, I really liked her farewell in The Gift and didn’t feel we needed another one. Fury treated her character terribly, and I never understood where all that hate and rage came from. In The Gift, she was happy and excited to explore space in her new, evolved state. I always felt Kes had a strong enough personality to handle whatever came her way after her ascension. So Fury just felt completely wrong for her character. I’ve always liked Kes. If it were up to me, Garrett Wang would’ve left at the end of season three, as was originally planned.

 

[Lynx]

I’d scrap Fury altogether and bring Kes back for the final season. That said, I really liked her farewell in The Gift and didn’t feel we needed another one. Fury treated her character terribly, and I never understood where all that hate and rage came from. In The Gift, she was happy and excited to explore space in her new, evolved state. I always felt Kes had a strong enough personality to handle whatever came her way after her ascension. So Fury just felt completely wrong for her character. I’ve always liked Kes. If it were up to me, Garrett Wang would’ve left at the end of season three, as was originally planned.

The last episode should have involved a final showdown with Suspiria in which Kes returns, persuade Suspiria not to destroy the ship and explains the reasons why.
Suspiria gives her a human lifespan and she's ready for a new, exciting life in federation space.

 

[Guy Gardener]

What if a group of Ocampa had settled on Kelemane's planet? Would their lifespan be determined by the way they experienced time there, or by how much Voyager time had passed?

Time is relative.

Off planet it may seem like Kes has been alive for thousands of years on Kelemene's Planet, but down there on the surface, it still only nine years from her perspective.

But if you want to talk about the bad science magic on Annorax's where the crew did not not age at all but experienced 200 years of normal life experiences.... If you can make that @@@@ portable, then no one needs to die, and Kathy could bring Voyager home lo it take 300 years, with out collecting one more wrinkle.

Oh?

Anorax was collecting artifacts from perished timelines like food and art, so why not people? Yes, he collected Chakotay and humored that man with herculean restraint, but there should've been at least two Chuckleses if one of them was outside time while incursions were being made.