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Spoilers Strange New Worlds jumps the shark... ("Subspace Rhapsody")

"Source material"?

The same show that in 1968 had Spock's brain stolen by go-go boot-wearing women who enslaved caveman-like males on their planet? And the show that also had Kirk and company trying to learn why a planet was turned into a literal copy of Nazi Germany because a Starfleet Academy professor decided one day, "well, Nazism was MOSTLY bad to be sure but maybe they had a point with the efficiency thing"?

Trek jumped the shark almost 60 years ago and more fans need to realize that.
 
"Source material"?

The same show that in 1968 had Spock's brain stolen by go-go boot-wearing women who enslaved caveman-like males on their planet? And the show that also had Kirk and company trying to learn why a planet was turned into a literal copy of Nazi Germany because a Starfleet Academy professor decided one day, "well, Nazism was MOSTLY bad to be sure but maybe they had a point with the efficiency thing"?

Trek jumped the shark almost 60 years ago and more fans need to realize that.
The shark is a feature, not a bug. ;)
 
I agree that it was SNW's "jump the shark" episode. I was surprised that SNW was so good at first, considering that it sprang from the dismal STD. I was a fan of the show for a while, but it seems like it has gotten progressively worse as of late. There is nothing wrong with the occasional goofy episode. Even TOS had "The Trouble With Tribbles" and "A Piece Of The Action", but SNW seems to have dropped its dramatic premise for a series of substandard comedies. The dismal (and derivative) holodeck episode that crapped all over TOS and Roddenberry was even worse. They had the opportunity to poke some harmless but loving fun at TOS, but instead took the opportunity to show how much they actually hate the source material. Their smug, arrogant and hateful derision was insulting to both TOS and the fanbase as a whole. The source material, by the way, is far superior to SNW.

People who never fail are people who never try. I can respect the SNW creative team wanting to try new approaches to a 50+ years old franchise to keep it fresh and current, but the musical episode was a failure. It's OK to fail if you learn from your mistakes and keep plugging along and improving. I hope that the makers of SNW can learn from their failure. Unfortunately, the series seems to be getting worse with each passing episode.
No. They're making a great, classic Star Trek series.
 
"Source material"?

The same show that in 1968 had Spock's brain stolen by go-go boot-wearing women who enslaved caveman-like males on their planet? And the show that also had Kirk and company trying to learn why a planet was turned into a literal copy of Nazi Germany because a Starfleet Academy professor decided one day, "well, Nazism was MOSTLY bad to be sure but maybe they had a point with the efficiency thing"?

Trek jumped the shark almost 60 years ago and more fans need to realize that.
Remember that time the Enterprise faced off against a planet-sized amoeba?

Or that time Apollo captured the ship?

Or that time Abe Lincoln fought Genghis Khan?

Or that time flying patches of plastic dog doo nearly made Spock go blind?
 
Remember that time the Enterprise faced off against a planet-sized amoeba?

Or that time Apollo captured the ship?

Or that time Abe Lincoln fought Genghis Khan?

Or that time flying patches of plastic dog doo nearly made Spock go blind?
Those creatures didn't nearly make Spock go blind. It was the experiment in using the full spectrum of light to kill those creatures that caused his temporary blindness.
:bolian:
 
SNW seems to be a series that is willing to swing for the fences, i.e. do stuff that's a bit off the established path. Some people love it, others wish it would be more conventional. Subspace Rhapsody is one of my favorite episodes... but I can see where it would be divisive. If you liked it, great! I did too. If you didn't like it, it's fine! There's 900 other Trek episodes out there and I don't think anyone likes them all.
 
SNW seems to be a series that is willing to swing for the fences, i.e. do stuff that's a bit off the established path. Some people love it, others wish it would be more conventional. Subspace Rhapsody is one of my favorite episodes... but I can see where it would be divisive. If you liked it, great! I did too. If you didn't like it, it's fine! There's 900 other Trek episodes out there and I don't think anyone likes them all.


I think this relates to something I said on one of the gaming threads where if you go against the grain and don't like a popular game everyone else does they'll do their best to tell you why you were wrong.


In other words people gatekeeping what they like and any opinions other than what the main group likes is considered wrong despite the fact everyone has their own thoughts, opinions, likes and dislikes.
 
IIRC, it was something that was discussed, though ultimately the serialized nature of Disco's seasons didn't really allow room for a musical episode to happen, as that's a concept that works better in an episodic season.

Yeah thinking about it you are quite correct. LOL last night watching The Expanse. Naomi Nagatta crying through almost the whole episode. She eas stressed no doubt. Made me think of Ms Burnham for a brief moment
 
You know, I first learnt about "Subspace Rhapsody" when I was a reactionary anti-woke dingus who was addicted to culture war dumbassery. When I broke free of the grift and eventually got myself a subscription to Paramount Plus and began watching Strange New Worlds two years later, I was loving the hell out of it. Both seasons 1 & 2 are bloody brilliant seasons of Trek, and they gave us so many great Trek stories, too. But... I was dreading "Subspace Rhapsody" as it seemed to me like the SNW equivalent of "Spock's Brain".
I finally began watching it. And. it. SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why is this episode so terrible? Four words: Star. Trek. MUSICAL EPISODE. Yes, a musical episode in a mainline show that just cannot work with the format. Sure there have been plenty of theatrical allusions in the franchise, and there was the "British Tar" scene from the also dire Star Trek: Insurrection (among other diegetic moments), but doing a musical episode is not compatible with shows like TOS, TNG, ENT or in this case, SNW. Goldsman and Myers really let their urges get the better of them here, and by god does it show.

It's a rip-off of Buffy the Vampire Slayer's "Once More With Feeling" where the Enterprise crew come across a subspace anomaly, try to communicate with it by playing an old song from a musical, and cause the anomaly to make them and every other ship a twenty-mile radius start singing their hearts out. It's a spectacle of poorly made, cringe-inducing musical numbers that cause everyone to act out of character and behave embarrassingly, like a Psi-2000 infection of tone-deaf forced karaoke nights. We get such delightful scenes as La'An singing an emo power ballad about how she can't handle the fact that Kirk just did a duet with Una, a pep talk song between La'An and Una where they begin defying gravity, and, in the utter worst moments, Chapel celebrating herself hooking up with another character by performing an Amy Winehouse pastiche, leading to Spock performing a song about how he feels bad about her breakup whilst declaring "I'M THE X". You cannot make this shit up, and it's every bit as dumb as it sounds. And not even dumb in a fun way like "The Naked Now", but dumb in the worst way possible. And needn't we forget about "KPop Klingon Hunters"!!!! [groan]

Now, I know what you're thinking. That I despise musicals. On the contrary. I love musicals. Musicals are meant to be an artform where characters sing whenever words don't cut it; its a form of storytelling where characters are so emotional that they can't speak anymore and express their thoughts and actions in the only other manner they know of. One of the movies I really want to add to my home media collection is Moulin Rouge, a jukebox musical melodramedy which arranges pop hits in a way that benefits the film and plot. I consider Disney Animation's The Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast two of the greatest cinematic achievements of all time, and though it's been a while since I've seen it, "Once More with Feeling" managed to make a musical episode that was really good. Say what you will about Joss Whedon as a person; as a writer, he was genuinely good and he managed to make some genuinely fantastic musical numbers that benefitted the story; there's a reason why Buffy's number, "Going through the motions", is so catchy and is a brilliant piece of songwriting on its own merits. That song and the others in that episode were written to serve the story, and "Once More with Feeling" wound up being considered the highlight of the otherwise-maligned UPN era by fans.

"Subspace Rhapsody" on the other hand is an apocalyptically misguided pretender to the throne that doesn't understand what a musical is and why the good ones work so well: The episode genuinely thinks that it could have characters spontaneously burst into song, provide a ham-fisted excuse in the form of an anomaly, and be all cute and meta about it as it makes the cast do some truly embarrassing things. And that's not how to do it. It's a musical for the sake of being a musical, and it feels unearnt. And it's because it feels so unearnt, so lousy, and so irritatingly meta that I can't help but consider it a major "jump the shark" moment for Strange New Worlds. The next season is full of unearnt gimmick episodes like "Subspace Rhapsody", and the ratings for its episodes on IMDB are substantially lower than those of Seasons 1 & 2. So, yeah. This episode is just terrible. It's "Spock's Brain" for the SNW gang, and then some.

P.S. Maybe it could've worked if they saved this story for Mariner, Boimler and the rest of the Lower Decks instead.
P.S.S. Well... Guess I'm in the minority here. A lot of people seem to like this for some reason.
Soooo, you didn't like it?
 
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Ahh yes, too much LDS at Berkley.
 
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