Star Trek universe before humans achieved warp travel (outside Earth)

[BohandiAnsoid]

Most of the Star Trek content happens after humans achieved warp travel, or takes place on Earth, and features nearly only humans, with an occasional alien disguised as a human. But even then, they don’t say much about the wider universe. The earliest source that speaks about the state of the galaxy is Enterprise, and this is nearly 100 years after humanity achieved warp travel.


So, what do we know about the state of the universe in the past, before humanity’s rise, both the entire universe, galaxy and known alien civilizations? And would you want to have any of this explored in any future projects? Do you think it would be a good idea to have a film or series set entirely in the past, with only humans, if any, there being time - traveling researchers from the future that observe, but do not interfere?

 

[Starflight]

I liked how space in TOS was littered with advanced civilizations who had either become ultra-isolationist (Metrons, Organians) or collapsed/disappeared.

Star Trek works better when the details of the wider universe are vague IMO, but if we're trying to build some kind of timeline, some non-Earth events I can remember from before humans achieved warp:
- Voyager's bridge crew nearly got hit in the face by the formation of the universe right before the Big Bang
- The Guardian of Forever was created, iirc before Earth's sun formed
- The Slavers began enslaving species across space, and were then annihilated when their victims rebelled, about a billion years ago
- The Iconians built gateways, and eventually disappeared
- A supernova destroyed the Tkon Empire about 600,000 years ago
- Sargon's race evolved into another form, and stored themselves inside spheres
- The precursor race from TNG's "The Chase" seeded life around the Alpha and Beta quadrants
- A small group of Vulcans crash-landed on Earth in the 1950s

 

[Turtletrekker]

There was the Vulcan / Romulan schism during the age of Surak.

The Klingons achieved Warp Drive after conquering their own conquerors, the Hurq, and appropriating their technology.

The Voth evolved on Earth, developed starflight technology and fled before the big asteroid over 66 million years ago.

Then there's the Preservers and the Progenitors.

 

[publiusr]

The Slavers and Vegan Tyranny if you choose to include them.

 

[knightgrace]

There was the Vulcan / Romulan schism during the age of Surak.

The Klingons achieved Warp Drive after conquering their own conquerors, the Hurq, and appropriating their technology.

The Voth evolved on Earth, developed starflight technology and fled before the big asteroid over 6 million years ago.

Then there's the Preservers and the Progenitors.

You do realize that this proves Doctor Who exists in Star Trek?

 

[B.J.]

The Voth evolved on Earth, developed starflight technology and fled before the big asteroid over 6 million years ago.

You dropped a digit, it was ~66 million years ago.

 

[Turtletrekker]

You dropped a digit, it was ~66 million years ago.

Indeed. Fixed. Thanks.

 

[Firebird]

You do realize that this proves Doctor Who exists in Star Trek?

How?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Most of the Star Trek content happens after humans achieved warp travel, or takes place on Earth, and features nearly only humans, with an occasional alien disguised as a human. But even then, they don’t say much about the wider universe. The earliest source that speaks about the state of the galaxy is Enterprise, and this is nearly 100 years after humanity achieved warp travel.


So, what do we know about the state of the universe in the past, before humanity’s rise, both the entire universe, galaxy and known alien civilizations? And would you want to have any of this explored in any future projects? Do you think it would be a good idea to have a film or series set entirely in the past, with only humans, if any, there being time - traveling researchers from the future that observe, but do not interfere?

Here you go. Starts at 10,000,000,000 plus. Have fun.

 

[Dukhat]

You do realize that this proves Doctor Who exists in Star Trek?

No it doesn't.

 

[BillJ]

File not found.

 

[1001001]

Do you think it would be a good idea to have a film or series set entirely in the past, with only humans, if any, there being time - traveling researchers from the future that observe, but do not interfere?

 

[knightgrace]

Ever hear of Sularians?(sp?).

65 million years ago they were the peak lifeforms...Basically very intelligent dinosaurs.

They come in various flavors...Sea Devils included.

The story in Dr. Who is that they miscalculated exactly how long to sleep off the impact event of 65 million years ago, and woke up grumpy.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Ever hear of Sularians?(sp?).

65 million years ago they were the peak lifeforms...Basically very intelligent dinosaurs.

They come in various flavors...Sea Devils included.

The story in Dr. Who is that they miscalculated exactly how long to sleep off the impact event of 65 million years ago, and woke up grumpy.

Connect the dots

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

Do you think it would be a good idea to have a film or series set entirely in the past, with only humans, if any, there being time - traveling researchers from the future that observe, but do not interfere?

It's rather like pluralizing the Watcher......who if memory serves has never had even a limited comic book series in which he's the main focus (WHAT IF is strictly a Rod Serling-function). I'm against pluralizing singulars in general. But if the presentation is originally good, who knows?

 

[The Wormhole]

Ever hear of Sularians?(sp?).

Silurians

 

[FormerLurker]

They're the basis of the Silurian hypothesis, which states that any number of intelligent species could have developed and died out over the last million/billion years, and we'll never know because the evidence of their existence has crumbled to dust long ago.

 

[knightgrace]

Thank you.

In Doctor Who, one of the most alien lifeforms around is intelligent dinosaurs...
IN the Star Trek: Voyager episode 'Distant Origin' a species of intelligent dinosaurs exists. THEY LOOK THE SAME! Somebody was having some fun.

It is my further understanding that Strange New Worlds has evidence of the Doctor in season three..

Haven't seen season three yet.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Thank you.

In Doctor Who, one of the most alien lifeforms around is intelligent dinosaurs...
IN the Star Trek: Voyager episode 'Distant Origin' a species of intelligent dinosaurs exists. THEY LOOK THE SAME! Somebody was having some fun.

It is my further understanding that Strange New Worlds has evidence of the Doctor in season three..

Haven't seen season three yet.

Dino aliens are a dime a dozen in SF

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Dino aliens are a dime a dozen in SF

Doesn't Star Trek already have our own Dinosaur Aliens in "The Voth"?