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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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I find it weird to declare the whole of AoS non-canon based on a producer of a different MCU show noting contradictions. As if contradictions never happened before in these big SF universes.
I mean, "Heart of Glory" is not declared non-canon just because the Klingon ship has a Federation insignia on its bridge, "Samaritan Snare" is not declared non-canon because Wesley mentions the Klingons joining the Federation as a part of history. People either ignore these things or create fan-theories about how it actually fits with the rest of canon.

So, unless Feige himself comes straight out saying AoS is non-canon, or the whole of the show is directly contradicted without possibilities to work around it? It is still officially canon. If you don't want it to count, that's your own head-canon.
And problems in continuity without explanation - isn't that why Marvel introduced the "No-Prize"? I mean, it is Marvel tradition and Marvel Studios should embrace it.
 
I understand the themes they were going for with Wilson as Captain America.

If you understood the themes you would not argue in favor of dragging a White Captain America back into the MCU.

I do understand bringing back Steve Rogers like bringing back Downey JR is not a long term answer to righting the ship but they could really help get the the new MCU a kickstart.

In the case of Evans, it would be Disney/Marvel Studios bending the knee to world society's worst ideology and those who practice it. If Disney/Marvel Studios' leadership is that disrespectful, I hope they do pursue your suggestions. The PR disaster will be well deserved.
 
If you understood the themes you would not argue in favor of dragging a White Captain America back into the MCU.



In the case of Evans, it would be Disney/Marvel Studios bending the knee to world society's worst ideology and those who practice it. If Disney/Marvel Studios' leadership is that disrespectful, I hope they do pursue your suggestions. The PR disaster will be well deserved.

Themes are one thing but story is also important. Also we are not talking about Evan returning full time. Just returning for the next Avengers and frankly nobody would be talking about him returning or even them needing bring back Downey Jr if they hadn't did such a bad job with the MCU post Endgame. MCU simply is not as popular as it was and people are loosing interest.

They basically have to do whatever it takes to get the audience back or get younger people who seem to have simply lost interest. Not to mention they are now competing for attention from what James Gunn is doing with the DCU. Though part of me also thinks society is just burned out on comic books in general. Not sure what the next big thing will be. My prediction is return to 90's style high style/big gimmick movies but with a touch more realism added. Something like "Sinners."
 
Themes are one thing but story is also important. Also we are not talking about Evan returning full time..

Again, you miss the entire point of Evans returning at all. You are serving as the champion of the White Grievance Culture who ranted against Evans ever leaving that role and a Black Captain America.

Substance, not trying to appeal to the category of subversive fanboy optics.

MCU simply is not as popular as it was and people are loosing interest.

An issue which has happened to every film franchise in movie history. How did you miss that one over the decades? Only clueless studio heads and the worst of the fanboy culture (each for their own reasons) continue to sell themselves on the idea that a franchise must continue and/or at whatever height it once achieved.

That belief lives in a universe other than one existing in reality.

They basically have to do whatever it takes to get the audience back or get younger people who seem to have simply lost interest.

The general moviegoing audience has lost interest in the superhero genre, and for good reason. It has steadily transformed into a bloated mess cranked out in assembly line fashion, consistently underperforming and failing to have that mass cultural appeal convincing moviegoers to want more (the problem with 2025's superhero movies). Instead of focusing on strong superhero films that only live within its own lore and narrative, it is all about the next "big" rinse and repeat event.
 
Again, you miss the entire point of Evans returning at all. You are serving as the champion of the White Grievance Culture who ranted against Evans ever leaving that role and a Black Captain America.

Substance, not trying to appeal to the category of subversive fanboy optics.



An issue which has happened to every film franchise in movie history. How did you miss that one over the decades? Only clueless studio heads and the worst of the fanboy culture (each for their own reasons) continue to sell themselves on the idea that a franchise must continue and/or at whatever height it once achieved.

That belief lives in a universe other than one existing in reality.



The general moviegoing audience has lost interest in the superhero genre, and for good reason. It has steadily transformed into a bloated mess cranked out in assembly line fashion, consistently underperforming and failing to have that mass cultural appeal convincing moviegoers to want more (the problem with 2025's superhero movies). Instead of focusing on strong superhero films that only live within its own lore and narrative, it is all about the next "big" rinse and repeat event.

But the reason people want to see Evans return as Captain America isn't just about race. Anymore than people wanting to see Downey Jr return as Iron Man. People have a honest love for the characters and to top it off they are links to when the MCU was hitting on all cylinders.

Also I don't even think Wilson is all that hated as Captain America. Just that he isn't as good in the role as Evans. He is still seen as a secondary character in the MCU because that was what has been. About the only real criticism I have seen about him is some people liked him better as Falcon and people briefly got mad at the actor for those statements about Captain America not representing America or something like that. Also they didn't like the movie he was in but even then most of the criticism for that went on the writers for not giving him a better script to work with.
 
It's not on the official youtube channel yet

Edit: IGN has it
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That actually looks like it's going to be a lot of fun. I love the nod to Simon's horrible green and red costume with the jetpacks from the West Coast Avengers days.
 
Yup, that looks like a lot of fun.

So what's the Wonder Man series about? Is he actually going to be a superhero, or just a guy playing a superhero?
I think we've known from the start that it's about the production of a superhero show, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's some twist about Simon Jones.

I can't remember if it was mentioned here or not, but Marvel announced the other day that the show will be under the Marvel Spotlight banner, the same as Echo.
 
From Entertainment Weekly:

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Let's start with Wonder Man. Not much has been released on this show yet, but I get the sense that this is gonna be a meta show. How meta are we talking about here?
BRAD WINDERBAUM: It's one of my favorite things I've ever been a part of at the studio. I'll start there. It's very different than anything the studio's produced. In terms of how meta it is, without getting into details, it is a show that takes place within the MCU, but it's a story about Hollywood. And it's a story about not just Hollywood, I would say it's a story about acting and the journey of an actor in Hollywood, of having to balance being an artist with making money and very grounded ideas that anyone who came up in Hollywood or in the arts in general can relate to. I certainly could on a very deep level.​
So is this Marvel's version of The Studio, basically?
It's funny you should say that. We all, obviously, are obsessed with that show. Sometimes it cuts a little close to the bone, but it's so funny and so great. [Wonder Man] is very different than The Studio, actually. It's different tonally. It's very sincere and it's very focused on acting as a craft. The Studio is really more about the big Hollywood system and the machine and the craziness that ensues. This is really a very intimate portrait of one actor trying to live his dreams while the world and the need to make money intervenes.​
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I remember at the Fantastic Four: First Steps premiere, Yahya did this in-character bit for Marvel socials where he, as Simon, was saying he auditioned for this role of Wonder Man, loved the original Wonder Man when he was younger. Am on the right track in thinking the show is really about Simon auditioning for a Wonder Man reboot based on a property that he loved as a child?
Yeah, yeah. That's definitely a big part of the premise. It gives us a chance to step back at what we do and our influence on the culture and the superhero genre, which we grew up with as filmmakers. Almost everyone in this office can recite the 1978 Superman film or the 1989 Batman film. There's a legacy of these characters that move from generation to generation and what it means, for one sliver of time, to carry that character from one generation to the next.​
 

Okay, so Wonder Man is a show about an actor trying to get cast as a superhero. But it's in a world where real superheroes exist, so I expect there will be some fantasy element or superpowered characters showing up at some point. It seems like the sort of thing where Kingo might make an appearance. Hmm, are there any established present-day actor or filmmaker characters in the MCU besides Trevor Slattery and Kingo?

At one point, the interviewer says, "When you think of Matthew Lillard, you think of all of his horror work." I only really know him as Shaggy from Scooby-Doo. I suppose that could be considered horror... kind of...
 
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