What is your opinion of season 3 as a whole?

[Leo Walsh]

...So I will still stand by saying No way should nurse chapel practice more medicine than Dr Mengba in the name of girl power.

Yeah, back to the "girl power" canard. That's a joke, and in poor taste at that.

I am not necessarily obsessed with character sex lives...
...I am more critical of a series that turns the genre that is meant to be sci fi into a sex rom com because the writers are incompetent of writing good heavy sci-fiction.

Come on, man, these two statements are separated, literally, by a couple of clauses. You contradict your own terms of argument continually.

There's more "good heavy sci-fiction" - assuming that means "science fiction" - in most episodes of SNW than in all of Abrams' Star Trek. *

*That, granted, is a very low bar to clear. SNW managed it even with the musical episode.

 

[Pauln6]

Another thing worth mentioning is that Chapel has the authority to write prescriptions. She offered to prescribe Uhura a sleeping aid, in "Lost in Translation". Even if there were restrictions on the type of medication Chapel could prescribe or requirements such as having a doctor sign off, in the real world it would require qualification beyond simply being a nurse.

I think the goalposts have moved quite a bit since the 60s. Nurse practitioners have authority to prescribe certain medication but I assume they have a nursing degree and post graduate qualifications. I got the impression Chapel had a crash course on top of her biomedical degree for war-time action. Unless she had further formal training during the war, which is plausible, I suppose, it's hard to see when or why she would undertake advanced nursing training when her career is in research.

That said, it might be that the computer does much of the hard graft and medical staff have a certain level of authority to process automated prescriptions.

 

[gabby1701]

Not even a little. Riker pouted over Troi's engagement in Haven. It led to absurd division in an alternate timeline and stupid comments in Insurrection.


I mean, it depends on the romance. Nothing gained by comparing one to the other.


Spock and T'Pring in SNW is decent. Spock and Chapel is ok, not great, but it's hardly my breaking point. Spock and La'an feels like a relationship of the week.

But, I don't think Spock should be some aloof untouchable man either.

I think they should try better with spock and laan even if I suspend the reality that it is even possible as she is likely a khan relative. Writers should take critical feedback and maybe be expand better than just flavour of the week couple.

Spock and Tpring I think were the best of the bunch but when it came to the other episodes, you can tell Tpring was wearing the pants and spock just had to follow her lead. I am just going to come out and say it- SNW emasculated Spock on the show in attempt to make some of the girls look strong.

The issue is I just do not see Nimoy Spock doing this and Peck is meant to be Nimoy Spock.

 

[Crewman Commander]

I think the goalposts have moved quite a bit since the 60s. Nurse practitioners have authority to prescribe certain medication but I assume they have a nursing degree and post graduate qualifications. I got the impression Chapel had a crash course on top of her biomedical degree for war-time action. Unless she had further formal training during the war, which is plausible, I suppose, it's hard to see when or why she would undertake advanced nursing training when her career is in research.

That said, it might be that the computer does much of the hard graft and medical staff have a certain level of authority to process automated prescriptions.

It doesn't materially change what I said. To be specific, in the US today, a nurse cannot write a prescription unless they have additional qualifications. A nurse practitioner has greater qualifications than just those required to be a nurse. It's even reflected in the name. See for example, RN vs APRN (NP, etc.).

 

[Firebird]

may I also add that in season 2, she beats Spock playing 3d chess. Kirk never did this in TOS.

Kirk beating Spock at 3D chess happened in the very first scene between Kirk and Spock in the first pilot episode in which Kirk appeared, "Where No Man Has Gone Before."

If you're gonna attempt an argument, it might help to have your fact straight first, because that's just an embarrassing L to take right off the bat.

 

[fireproof78]

The issue is I just do not see Nimoy Spock doing this and Peck is meant to be Nimoy Spock.

He will grow to become him but he is not him yet. That's the larger point is that people grow and are not the same due to that growth.

 

[Crewman Commander]

Spock and Tpring I think were the best of the bunch but when it came to the other episodes, you can tell Tpring was wearing the pants and spock just had to follow her lead. I am just going to come out and say it- SNW emasculated Spock on the show in attempt to make some of the girls look strong.

Who called the shots in "Amok Time"?

 

[fireproof78]

Who called the shots in "Amok Time"?

Poor Stone. Dude didn't know what happened to him

 

[gabby1701]

Poor Stone. Dude didn't know what happened to him

Who called the shots in "Amok Time"?

T'pau called the shots.

Tpring just followed the vulcan custom and yeah she was not really a nice person so that added to the drama.

But Spock gave the....I do not give an FU anymore about Tpring by the end of the episode and was happy it was all over. He was not acting like a wounded puppy.

We still have to scratch our heads as to why SNW spock needed to apologise to chapel in Hermogy part 1 when it was chapel who dumped and humiliated him in front of the entire crew in subspace rhapsody and Chapel was the one in the wrong, Spock had no reason to apologise to her . This is how you emasculate male characters unnecessarily.

 

[fireproof78]

We still have to scratch our heads as to why SNW spock needed to apologise to chapel in Hermogy part 1 when it was chapel who dumped and humiliated him in front of the entire crew in subspace rhapsody and Chapel was the one in the wrong, Spock had no reason to apologise to her

Some people apologize regardless. One of Spock's ancestors was Canadian.

Tpring just followed the vulcan custom and yeah she was not really a nice person so that added to the drama.

She manipulated the whole situation to her benefit. Neither Spock nor Stone were in control.

 

[Crewman Commander]

T'pau called the shots.

Tpring just followed the vulcan custom and yeah she was not really a nice person so that added to the drama.

But Spock gave the....I do not give an FU anymore about Tpring by the end of the episode and was happy it was all over. He was not acting like a wounded puppy.

No. But I can recap for you.

When it came to the marriage ceremony, it was literally T'Pring making the choices.

T'Pring said "Kal-if-fee!" and chose the challenge, not T'Pau, Spock, or Stonn.

T'Pring chose Kirk as her champion, and Kirk accepted. The choice was made by neither T'Pau, Spock, nor Stonn.

Spock was not at all happy after dealing with T'Pring. He believed he had killed Kirk. He declared he would not live long and prosper himself. He was going to resign from Starfleet and turn himself in for homicide. Only after learning that McCoy had managed to save Kirk by cheating was Spock happy. Until that point, Spock was very much "the wounded puppy".

We still have to scratch our heads as to why SNW spock needed to apologise to chapel in Hermogy part 1 when it was chapel who dumped and humiliated him in front of the entire crew in subspace rhapsody and Chapel was the one in the wrong, Spock had no reason to apologise to her . This is how you emasculate male characters unnecessarily.

 

[Pauln6]

It doesn't materially change what I said. To be specific, in the US today, a nurse cannot write a prescription unless they have additional qualifications. A nurse practitioner has greater qualifications than just those required to be a nurse. It's even reflected in the name. See for example, RN vs APRN (NP, etc.).

What I meant was rather that Trek doctors are usually generalists, apart from the psychiatrists. McCoy is general practitioner, surgeon, pathologist, researcher, and anaesthetist. I see no reason why the same broad brush approach would not apply to nurses, especially where you have limited medical staff on a deep space mission. So as the role of modern day nurses is expanded, the assumptions are that Trek nurses are as qualified as they can be as standard. There's no need to list additional qualifications because everyone has them as part of standard training.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Sanchez apparently performed autopsies and gave counseling (assuming it was the same person). https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Sanchez

 

[gabby1701]

Some people apologize regardless. One of Spock's ancestors was Canadian.


She manipulated the whole situation to her benefit. Neither Spock nor Stone were in control.

oh, why some also call it bad writing that sticks. when characters do dumb things that makes audience go, this is bad writing and not really a character making a bad choice. so example

kirk cheating on the kobi yashi maru test = that is a character doing a bad thing but it works well in the story for the audience.

spock apologising after been dumped and humiliated = bad writing said by audience.

um,we should just accept laan dating spock and kirk just ignore the fact that is is far fetched than to come up with excuses that will not make no sense since it obilerates canon. As I said JJ Trek did not even go this far in differing from canon and that was an alternate timeline. I just believe in keeping criticism consistent or admitting some obvious.

sigh...I wish more energy was put in defending star trek discovery since they had as many red flag issues and at least those were new characters that would have needed the defence.

 

[Leo Walsh]

The issue is I just do not see Nimoy Spock doing this and Peck is meant to be Nimoy Spock.

The issue, then, is with your expectations. Not the writing.

Really, the writing for Spock has been superlative. It's one of the best things about a show that's very, very good.

 

[fireproof78]

um,we should just accept laan dating spock and kirk just ignore the fact that is is far fetched than to come up with excuses that will not make no sense since it obilerates canon

Nope. Canon continues to exist. Nothing obliterated.

 

[Pauln6]

What destroyed canon for me was those bumpy-headed Klingons. I never recovered, and neither did Star Trek.

 

[fireproof78]

What destroyed canon for me was those bumpy-headed Klingons. I never recovered, and neither did Star Trek.

This is the correct answer.

 

[The Gatekeeper]

What happened in "Lost in Translation" was that at the bar Kirk shared with Uhura his assessment of the current state of the game that was still ongoing between Spock and Chapel. Kirk's opinion was that Spock had been about to win with checkmate in two, until Uhura distracted Spock, after which Spock made an error and was then in trouble, because he wasn't guarding his queen well enough.

We never found out whether Chapel was able to exploit whatever advantage Kirk thought that Chapel theoretically had gotten as a result of Spock's error or for that matter, for certain whether Kirk had even correctly assessed the game.

And really, that scene was mostly meant to be a metaphor for the fact that Spock and Chapel's relationship was already in a bad place with a real possibility Chapel could soon leave Spock. Which was expressed with Kirk's double entendre "your Vulcan's about to lose his queen."

 

[Crewman Commander]

And really, that scene was mostly meant to be a metaphor for the fact that Spock and Chapel's relationship was already in a bad place with a real possibility Chapel could soon leave Spock. Which was expressed with Kirk's double entendre "your Vulcan's about to lose his queen."

Yes!