Well...I will take your word for it because going from lacking intelligence to making movies is not a connection I would make.
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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"The Enterprise Incident" is also WAY better than The Last Jedi.
Star Trek is way better than Star Wars. That is just science.
What do they do that is non-military?
Right up there with "Klingon Imperial Empire" and a plethora of other stupid lines throughout the entire history of the shows.
Stubbs-type science experiments, NASA-type science observations — these are more NOAA than USN. (I could believe the Navy might do some, but you’ll never have a cruiser or littoral combat ship spend three years off observing sea phenomena.)
Humanitarian aid.
I guess you could say that anything Starfleet does, the military either has done, is doing (the exact thing or its present day, lower tech equivalent), or will eventually do.
I guess you could say that anything Starfleet does, the military either has done, is doing (the exact thing or its present day, lower tech equivalent), or will eventually do.
The Excelsior spent three years cataloguing gaseous anomalies.
Exactly! A distinctly non-military mission, despite Excelsior plainly being a capable warship. So: a military that also does non-military stuff.
Various militaries at various times on Earth have conducted exploratory expeditons, charting expeditions, have had bases in other parts of the world conducting experiments or digs. (Or at the very least was involved with them.)
They also provide relief aid and humanitarian missions.
When not fighting a war, the military does pretty much the Earth equivalent of what Starfleet does. But during wartime, the military fights. Just like Starfleet.
Hence, Starfleet is a military.
It honestly seems, based on observations, that whether people consider Starfleet a military or not relies mostly on that person's perception of a military. (Basically, if they look at a military as a good or bad thing.) Despite the overwhelming evidence showing that Starfleet is a military.
They also provide relief aid and humanitarian missions.
When not fighting a war, the military does pretty much the Earth equivalent of what Starfleet does. But during wartime, the military fights. Just like Starfleet.
Hence, Starfleet is a military.
It honestly seems, based on observations, that whether people consider Starfleet a military or not relies mostly on that person's perception of a military. (Basically, if they look at a military as a good or bad thing.) Despite the overwhelming evidence showing that Starfleet is a military.
US military has research centers, scientists and provide humanitarian aid.
Starfleet does things that militaries do or have historically done.
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Starfleet does things that militaries do or have historically done.
ETA: ninja'd by @Frightscape One
He's a genius. Now whoever wrote that the Federation is an armada? That person is a moron.
"Some ideas are so stupid only intellectuals believe them." George Orwell
And whoever came up with whatever the heck the "Resistance" is probably isn't too bright either. (You can't be the plucky underdog if you're the Galactic Government.)
Whatever you say, boss.
Or that person was trying to give it a spin to make it feel a bit different from prior Trek.
Or, a great cover story for an extended spy mission!
No, seriously, in VOY "Flashback", we learn that Excelsior getting damaged in a fight with the Klingons was logged as an encounter with a "gaseous anomaly." Being on a survey mission was the excuse offered to Kang to be in the nebula outside of Federation space.
It makes me wonder whether all of the other events logged as involving gaseous anomalies were legit.
Or, a great cover story for an extended spy mission!
No, seriously, in VOY "Flashback", we learn that Excelsior getting damaged in a fight with the Klingons was logged as an encounter with a "gaseous anomaly." Being on a survey mission was the excuse offered to Kang to be in the nebula outside of Federation space.
It makes me wonder whether all of the other events logged as involving gaseous anomalies were legit.
I always hated that. I hate that need to try and make something seem more important than it really was. In my head, they were simply doing their jobs. Not every mission is going to be the most exciting ever.
Why do you think he got hired to do Star Wars?
ZING!!
With the ability to glass a planet .
Dear Star Trek: stop trying to sound like Meals on Wheels with photon torpedoes. You're a space navy. Accept it. Most viewers have.
The point the others are trying to make is that all the "non-military stuff" we've seen Starfleet engaging in throughout the franchise are things actual militaries have done and continue to do. Always pointing to the fact that "Starfleet has done ______ and is therefore not a military/other than military/more than military/para-military/whatever" eventually just looks like desperately trying to put a square peg through the round hole of adhering to the fact "Starfleet is not a military" is spoken onscreen and making it stick. The simple fact of the matter is, though the writers are frequently writing dialogue in the scripts stating Starfleet isn't military, there has never been any attempt to distinguish it from a military at all.
People in these discussions often say "it's a few hundred years in the future, a military is going to be different than how we consider one." And while that might be true, the bottom line is it's up to the writers to present a different type of military in their scripts, not for the fans to contort themselves in discussions that what they're seeing based on the modern military is somehow different from the modern military. And in defense of the writers, when writing in a completely fictional setting, they need to keep the concepts relatable to real things in order for the audience to grasp what it is they are talking about, as streamlined as possible. "Starfleet is a space navy" is a simple enough concept for the audience to follow. "Starfleet is some sort of future NASA with defense responsibilities" isn't.
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