What is your opinion of season 3 as a whole?
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I never understood the love for Firefly personally, I found it bland and forgettable but I can most certainly empathise with those that mourn it. We have all lost cherished shows.
At least he didn't do what John K (Ren & Stimpy) was rumored to do.
I absolutely loved Firefly. But yeah, in the grand scheme of things I prefer SNW.
One thing SNW could have learned from it though, was to immediately follow up on the guest characters - especially the more antagonistic ones: I was amazed how much story they got out of revisiting e.g. "Ms Reynolds" several times in just 14 episodes. Whereas SNW still needs to follow up on Dr Aspen, Sybok and a lot of other things. It's really missing some notable recurring villain characters.
Also - Firefly should have blatantly copied the soundtrack of Cowboy Bebop as well.
One thing SNW could have learned from it though, was to immediately follow up on the guest characters - especially the more antagonistic ones: I was amazed how much story they got out of revisiting e.g. "Ms Reynolds" several times in just 14 episodes. Whereas SNW still needs to follow up on Dr Aspen, Sybok and a lot of other things. It's really missing some notable recurring villain characters.
Also - Firefly should have blatantly copied the soundtrack of Cowboy Bebop as well.
You've changed man.
JJ Abrams fairly also has a good tv list, more acclaimed and remembered than any streaming trek and somewhat on par with whedon.
Fringe
Lost
Alias
Westworld
All the shows at the height of their powers were some of the best of their era. SNW leans more good CW. JJ Abrams shows were good enough to be and dominate prime time TV like ABC. I am not sure SNW would have survived on ABC or CBS, it would have been booted to CW like Supergirl.
I think this is why JJ became famous. he was mostly a tv guy that did good work.
Now as for his trek, they are movies so not the best comparison but if we were to try, I don't think it is close. Star Trek 2009, most of STID and Beyond in terms of characters, casting, acting, sci-fi, stakes is far superior to SNW and it is not close.
JJ trek even beats SNW in romance and also the casting of Chris Pine as Kirk was excellent, the casting of Karl Urban as Bones was perfection, no casting of SNW has been that close to perfection compared to their TOS Counterparts. Quinto also gives a better take on Spock than Peck and I don't even think this is one is up for argument but would be happy too.
Let me just also say if they ever make a year one series, I would not be surprised if they recast Paul Wesley. There is no doubt the writers must known that a significant amount of talk that say he is miscast. I do not also feel Paul also cannot carry a show.
Also JJ Abrams knews how to write greta female tv characters without the expense of making the men look weak and pathetic something SNW has failed at and something that JJ Trek succeeded in.
It was very enjoyable but felt like there was a bit too much filler, especially comedy filler, which meant that character development was thin on the ground. Ortegas had her little thread, the Spirk friendship, and the Batel arc. Gamble arc was really well done and gave M'Benga a crumb of development. La'an seems to fare the best. Give the woman a spin off!
The supporting cast fare better than they did in Discovery but they deserve more. It does feel like they need 12 or 13 episodes but it is what it is.
No writer's strike next season, so should be tighter, and I expect the final six to be one long arc. We'll see.
The supporting cast fare better than they did in Discovery but they deserve more. It does feel like they need 12 or 13 episodes but it is what it is.
No writer's strike next season, so should be tighter, and I expect the final six to be one long arc. We'll see.
None of it was filler. They made the episodes they wanted to make in the way they wanted to make them.
Overall, pretty massively disappointing.
There weren't really any episodes that rose above mediocre for me, and certainly no home runs like "Ad Astra Per Aspera" or "Those Old Scientists" last season. And the writers have learned all the wrong lessons from S2 and leaned into the gimmick episodes, to the show's detriment.
Pelia hasn't become anything more than unfunny comic relief, the La'an/Spock coupling makes NO sense, and every attempt the show made to set up or tie in with TOS just made me roll my eyes. I like Martin Quinn as Scotty, but it's hard to believe he's only six years younger than James Doohan's Scotty. It seems more like 15 years. Honestly, I like most of the actors on the show. I think they're a talented and charismatic bunch. I just hate the writing now.
I'm really hoping that S4 corrects the missteps of S3, but on the other hand... Muppets.
Perhaps the lann and spock pairing makes sense in a bizarre twilight zone way
. Spock dated or shall I say was sleeping with the relative of a guy who ends up killing him.Maybe the writers are going for some time of ironic juxtaposition.yeah, makes little sense but it is less toxic than spock/chapel.
Pelia is just a bad add on, she brings nothing to the show. she does not even have a good quick wit. They could have written more for Una instead and never created Pelia.
One thing I will also add, they should have found a taller guy to play Scotty. Scotty looks too much like a kid. the Korby Actor could even have been scotty but with a Scottish (not irish) accent. Many weird choices have gone on with the casting. for instance Jess Bush is too good to play chapel as we knew her from TOS and Paul is too bad to play kirk.
What does height have to do with it? Quinn does have a baby face, though.
The actor playing Korby is Irish. Cant see him as Scotty.
Yes, Bush is too good to play TOS Chapel, who had all the depth of a piece of cardboard. It's a good thing she's no longer written that way.
Wesley is doing fine at Kirk. Better everytime he appears.
TOS Scotty and kirk could be brothers, the actors from TOS had similar likeness even body types and looked around the same age range.
So TOS Chapel had the personality of a cardboard . I do not think making her an unlikeable and naccaistic character was the answer to the cardboard counterpart. TOS Chapel was at least sensitive and attentive to Spock's feelings even when he rejects her affection. SNW Chapel brings her new boyfriend unannounced and what a slap in Spock's face who wasted his time waiting for her.
Wesley may be doing ''fine'' as Kirk but I can call it now, if there is a year one. I think they will recast him as Kirk.
You need charisma and screen presence to lead a tv show. Wesley does not have it and this is not the first time it has happened. it was the same thing in the vampire diaries. the damon actor who played his brother outshined him and became the more popular character even though wesley's character was meant to be the central male of the show.
That's certainly one opinion and jives with a desire to make more episodic TV.
Look again. Shatner and Doohan look nothing alike, nor do they share a "body type". Doohan was and looked older than Shatner. The looks of the TOS actors aren't really relevant to playing Kirk and Scott
They weren't together. Why should she tell Spock who she brings as a plus one?
Chapel is complex and that means she might have some negative traits, just like people in real life. I don't think narcissism is one of those traits though.
I want to speak in defence of Chapel. She is emotionally confused, not narcissistic. When she started dating Spock, their relationship, for her, was still new, but for Spock it was something much deeper. She split up with him before leaving the ship but it was rather careless of her not giving anyone a heads up that she had a new beau.
Very early on, it was established that Chapel uses avoidance techniques to cope with her emotional confusion. She's fairly consistent, character-wise: flawed, emotionally inconsistent, but not horrible.
I like that they have given her a skill set consistent with a biomedical degree. I dislike that she is sometimes treated as a senior crew member instead of a civilian researcher and that she sometimes acts as M'Benga's deputy instead of another qualified junior doctor.
Also remember that she pines for Spock for years and he rebuffs her. His comments to T'Pring in Amok Time are possibly referring to Chapel. I actually love the symmetry they've created.
I never really understood why Firefly was heralded as this great show. I watched it and liked it, but I much preferred Farscape over Firefly and mainly because if you just go by the first season, those final 4 episodes of Farscape's first season really showed what kind of show it would be. Firefly, unfortunately, didn't have time to have that chance. I did like the cast though, but even the Farscape cast was better to me.
My main issue with SNW (leaving out the gimmicky stuff) is they went to the original series well too early bringing in Uhura and Scotty and Kirk. Uhura I can understand, but I really wanted a series that focused on Pike and Spock and Number 1, and even in Season 3, Una was kinda sidelined. Her best episode was the trial episode and that was early season 2.
I really want T'Pring to come back before the series ends. I like her character and I was excited for the possibility of a follow up to the Sybok story (I like Final Frontier). That never materialized in Season 3.
My main issue with SNW (leaving out the gimmicky stuff) is they went to the original series well too early bringing in Uhura and Scotty and Kirk. Uhura I can understand, but I really wanted a series that focused on Pike and Spock and Number 1, and even in Season 3, Una was kinda sidelined. Her best episode was the trial episode and that was early season 2.
I really want T'Pring to come back before the series ends. I like her character and I was excited for the possibility of a follow up to the Sybok story (I like Final Frontier). That never materialized in Season 3.
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