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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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He's the guy she fights in the end and sends packing. He's a presence through out the entire film. Are you sure you watched it?? :lol:

I did watch it but it's been awhile. I mean I do recall the character but in my mind I always think of Annette Being first. The only thing I really recall him doing is the training fight at the beginning and the final fight where she punches him real hard when he is wanting credit for making her shoe she is.
 
That's true. I think the one time it bugged me though was in the first movie during the fight with Iron Monger where they both couldn't keep their helmets on during the big fight.
 
I did watch it but it's been awhile. I mean I do recall the character but in my mind I always think of Annette Being first. The only thing I really recall him doing is the training fight at the beginning and the final fight where she punches him real hard when he is wanting credit for making her shoe she is.

This comment pretty clearly demonstrates that you didn't actually pay attention to anything about the movie or its story.
 
This comment pretty clearly demonstrates that you didn't actually pay attention to anything about the movie or its story.
I payed attention. It was just all kind of boring so it's hard to remember half of the stuff that happened. Heck you go long enough time you even begin to forget plot details from good movies you actually liked.
 
Nazi Cap and Tony Stark Doom.

The world currently suffers from more than enough real Nazis running around...running governments to the degree that no one needs a reminder of that in a movie.

I don't think any of the comic stuff matter to most people. To many people they have never read any of the comics with Captain America. Captain America will always to them be Chris Evans because they loved him in the role and it does help that all 3 Captain America movies were great and one of them is considered by some to be the best MCU movie of them all.

And? It does not matter if some among the moviegoers are still fans of Evans. The actor himself passed the torch to Mackie, saying he is Captain America. Obviously, actors go back on earlier statements, but Evans knew why he said that about Mackie in relation to that character (explored in the D+ series). To return to the Rogers/Cap role means some things are greater than integrity and understanding that he would be giving the enflamed subversives exactly what they want at the expense of Mackie, and yes, this move will still have a negative effect even when Mackie is on screen in that role, treated as if he "stole" something (long-reaching parallels in real life).
 
I tune in and out of Marvel stuff and do not watch everything but I broadly enjoyed Marvel Zombies as a bit of fluff. I did not know who all the characters were but could guess most of them from comics knowledge. The only thing I would say is it the ending was unsatisfactory.

I wasn't sure I wanted to watch it, but I went ahead anyway. It was mostly worth it for the character interplay, which fortunately got more airtime than zombie fights, at least in the first three episodes. And it seems this is the only place we get to see more adventures of characters like Kamala, Kate, Riri, Shang-Chi, Katy, etc. But I found the action-heavy final episode pretty boring, mostly, and yes, the ending was unsatisfying.

I also couldn't recognize all the characters, though I knew most of them. I couldn't remember where we've seen the minotaur or the other Kamar-Taj characters before. It occurred to me to wish they'd done what's often done in Marvel comics, or in Japanese TV/film -- show a caption of each character's name when they're introduced, so we know who they are.
 
The world currently suffers from more than enough real Nazis running around...running governments to the degree that no one needs a reminder of that in a movie.



And? It does not matter if some among the moviegoers are still fans of Evans. The actor himself passed the torch to Mackie, saying he is Captain America. Obviously, actors go back on earlier statements, but Evans knew why he said that about Mackie in relation to that character (explored in the D+ series). To return to the Rogers/Cap role means some things are greater than integrity and understanding that he would be giving the enflamed subversives exactly what they want at the expense of Mackie, and yes, this move will still have a negative effect even when Mackie is on screen in that role, treated as if he "stole" something (long-reaching parallels in real life).
Mackie would still be Captain America. We would just now have two Captain America in the movie. Kind of like how we not to long ago had 3 Spidermans in a movie. Heck when they recast the character someday that is something that can never really be taken from someone. Evans and Mackie will always be Captain America because we have seen them both in the role.
 
No need to stop. They just needed to do a better job at selecting the movies and shows that would define what they would be about after Endgame. They made so many bad calls and choices and even a few good things were punished more for timing than quality. Ms Marvel being a prime example of that. Ms Marvel is a niche character that could work in the way Ant Man worked but you got to make at a time when you got lots of other heavy hitters carrying the load.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the way Ms. Marvel was presented, and there was nothing wrong with the timing.
Also we should already have at least few X-Men movies made.

To much time also trying to prop up the JV squad of characters instead of going with the heavy hitters like the X-Men.
They didn't have the rights to X-Men until after the Fox sale, and I'm glad they took their time to figure out how they want to handle them, rather than just rushing to get them into the MCU just because they're popular.
She-Hulk also should have been a movie and also more of a action movie than a campy Ally McBeal type of show.
I was under the impression that for at least the last 20 or 30 years she's been more of a comedy character, and the show we got is a better fit for than kind of character than forcing her into just another action movie.
Thor should have been given a better 4th movie.
I'm sure they gave Thor the best 4th movie they could. Personally I thought it was great. No body ever sets to make a bad movie or one that people aren't going to like, sometimes things just don't work out the way people think they will.
Black Panther should have been recast.
No, the role was just to attatched to Chadwick Boseman, and not recasting was the right move to make.
They should have done a Thanos and Killmonger villain movie,each.
No. Sony has proven repeated that those kind of villain movies just don't work.

Just out of curiosity, are you a writer or movie/TV producer, because you seem to have a lot of pretty strong opinions about a lot of this kind of stuff and I'm just curious what professional experience you have to back this up.

I've always loved Carol Danvers. Ever since her own Ms Marvel and Binary days in the comics. Her first movie was epic. Her second movie, well, it's not the only product that got negatively affected by the pandemic. Shit happens. I still enjoy the movie. Brie Larson is amazing. The hatred for her just comes from the usual fragile man babies who can't cope with strong women.
Yeah, Carol is one of my favorite characters in the comics and the movies.
I forgot about Jude Law. I guess he would sort of count as the villain. I can't say I found him to be all that interesting.
There's no guess about it Jude Law's Yon-Rog was very much the movies main bad guy.
I wasn't sure I wanted to watch it, but I went ahead anyway. It was mostly worth it for the character interplay, which fortunately got more airtime than zombie fights, at least in the first three episodes. And it seems this is the only place we get to see more adventures of characters like Kamala, Kate, Riri, Shang-Chi, Katy, etc. But I found the action-heavy final episode pretty boring, mostly, and yes, the ending was unsatisfying.
They are still working on a second Shang-Chi movie, so we should be getting another adventure with Shang-Chi and Katy in a few years.
 
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the way Ms. Marvel was presented, and there was nothing wrong with the timing.

They didn't have the rights to X-Men until after the Fox sale, and I'm glad they took their time to figure out how they want to handle them, rather than just rushing to get them into the MCU just because they're popular.

I was under the impression that for at least the last 20 or 30 years she's been more of a comedy character, and the show we got is a better fit for than kind of character than forcing her into just another action movie.

I'm sure they gave Thor the best 4th movie they could. Personally I thought it was great. No body ever sets to make a bad movie or one that people aren't going to like, sometimes things just don't work out the way people think they will.

No, the role was just to attatched to Chadwick Boseman, and not recasting was the right move to make.

No. Sony has proven repeated that those kind of villain movies just don't work.

Just out of curiosity, are you a writer or movie/TV producer, because you seem to have a lot of pretty strong opinions about a lot of this kind of stuff and I'm just curious what professional experience you have to back this up.


Yeah, Carol is one of my favorite characters in the comics and the movies.

There's no guess about it Jude Law's Yon-Rog was very much the movies main bad guy.

They are still working on a second Shang-Chi movie, so we should be getting another adventure with Shang-Chi and Katy in a few years.

Ms Marvel was done fine on a creative level. Well the final episode could have been better. The issue though was it was made at a time when you didn't have bigger more mainstream hits to kind of support it.

Also no I have no writing experience. Just opinions like most folks. As for recasting Black Panther they did recast Ross when William Hurt died so it's not like it is something beneath them. I personally always liked the idea of Killmonger coming back and being reformed and taking on the role. He was the main reason the first Black Panther movie works. Michael B Jordan as Black Panther IMO would quickly become the most popular or second most popular after Spiderman character for the next post Endgame MCU.
 
Ms Marvel was done fine on a creative level. Well the final episode could have been better. The issue though was it was made at a time when you didn't have bigger more mainstream hits to kind of support it.
It came out between Multiverse of Madness and Love and Thunder.
Also no I have no writing experience. Just opinions like most folks. As for recasting Black Panther they did recast Ross when William Hurt died so it's not like it is something beneath them. I personally always liked the idea of Killmonger coming back and being reformed and taking on the role. He was the main reason the first Black Panther movie works. Michael B Jordan as Black Panther IMO would quickly become the most popular or second most popular after Spiderman character for the next post Endgame MCU.
They've never recast a lead. Especially one as popular as Boseman.
 
I personally always liked the idea of Killmonger coming back and being reformed and taking on the role.

easiest way to do that is have him be from a universe where he was brought back from America as child, or his father didn't betray the king. Then he becomes BP when his Tchalla dies. still have to have a reason for him to switch universes.

But their current solution is fine. By the time the next BP movie comes out T'Challa Jr will be old enough to be a Young Avenger.
 
I was under the impression that for at least the last 20 or 30 years she's been more of a comedy character, and the show we got is a better fit for than kind of character than forcing her into just another action movie.

More like 36 years. John Byrne's 1989 series (which he left after about 8 issues but later came back to and picked up right where he left off, ignoring the intervening stuff) was where She-Hulk was first written as a fourth-wall-demolishing comedy character routinely talking to the audience, the writer, the editor, etc.
 
It came out between Multiverse of Madness and Love and Thunder.

They've never recast a lead. Especially one as popular as Boseman.
They did recast Hulk. The thing is they are now talking about recasting Iron Man and I think Captain America eventually. Sooner or later everyone will be recasted and we have seen it with other comic stuff like the many Batman an Superman and Spider-Man 's we have had.
 
They did recast Hulk. The thing is they are now talking about recasting Iron Man and I think Captain America eventually. Sooner or later everyone will be recasted and we have seen it with other comic stuff like the many Batman an Superman and Spider-Man 's we have had.

You can theorize about how it could've worked for eternity, but it will never change the fact that most of the people who directly made the 1st BP movie a huge hit were not willing to completely replace their friend on only the second outing.

Anyone with a brain always knew the character would be recast eventually. That doesn't mean recasting him instantly would've been no big deal.

And anyone who thinks the reception of BP2 was disappointing because it lacked T'Challa would do well to consider how much worse it could've been without Coogler or much of the remaining cast who didn't to see Boseman replaced yet. Or even worse than that if the new T'Challa was in any way disappointing. There's no guarantee they'd've wound up with the Black Panther equivalent of Keaton or Bale's Batman. Profressional casting directors picked Clooney and Affleck, too.
 
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