What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Jayson Poorknees]

I meant "conservative" as in "risk adverse" rather than in the American political sense. TNG didn't take a whole lot of chances, is what I was saying.

Although Steve Shives had a very good video a few years ago about exactly what in the world of Star Trek appeals to those with conservative political leanings. I seem to recall that part of it was that much of ST was about "The Good Guys" going off to solve the problems of faraway other places, rather than solving the issues in our own backyards.

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I don't know. TNG wasn't edgy but at the same time Sci-Fi wasn't that popular on tv and you did have some risks in making your Star be a older British guy instead of the typical good looking white guy with traditional good looks. IN other words they didn't just make him a Kirk clone.

 

[Lord Garth]

I don't know. TNG wasn't edgy but at the same time Sci-Fi wasn't that popular on tv and you did have some risks in making your Star be a older British guy instead of the typical good looking white guy with traditional good looks. IN other words they didn't just make him a Kirk clone.

They had fail-safes in place for those. If TNG didn't continue after its first season, those episodes would've been added to TOS's syndication package, bringing the total episode count to 105. And if TNG did work out but Picard didn't, they'd have written Picard out of the show and bumped Riker up to Captain.

 

[Jayson Poorknees]

That's actually not a bad plan. Granted the show would not work without PIcard IMO but it is interesting that they had something planned other than just crossing their fingers and hoping things work out.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Lorca was the only good thing about Star Trek Discovery.

Lorca was my favorite ST Captain since Sisko and then THAT plot twist happened.

TNG wasn't edgy but at the same time Sci-Fi wasn't that popular on tv and you did have some risks in making your Star be a older British guy instead of the typical good looking white guy with traditional good looks. IN other words they didn't just make him a Kirk clone.

And don't forget that casting Patrick Stewart was Robert Justman's idea. Roddenberry had to be convinced that Stewart was the man for the job.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

2 minutes in, well I tried.

Ah, so before he introduced the nuance right after that. Got it.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't know. TNG wasn't edgy but at the same time Sci-Fi wasn't that popular on tv and you did have some risks in making your Star be a older British guy instead of the typical good looking white guy with traditional good looks. IN other words they didn't just make him a Kirk clone.

No, they did the exact opposite and he was unlikable.

 

[Set Harth]

???

 

[Tallguy]

Ah, so before he introduced the nuance right after that. Got it.

If you're telling me it gets more nuanced than "I'm not saying you're automatically an asshole. I'm saying you think like an asshole" then... OK?

 

[Jayson Poorknees]

No, they did the exact opposite and he was unlikable.

Picard was unlikeable? I disagree. Picard had a strong sense of ethics and principles and he always did what he thought was the right thing to do. He could be stoic but he also had passion and compassion. He had all the things I think one would want out of a leader.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Picard was unlikeable? I disagree. Picard had a strong sense of ethics and principles and he always did what he thought was the right thing to do. He could be stoic but he also had passion and compassion. He had all the things I think one would want out of a leader.

There are many good reasons why Jean-Luc Picard is amongst many people's Top Choice for "Best Captain" in the usual Captain Tier Rankings.

 

[Set Harth]

Picard was unlikeable? I disagree.

Yeah, that's a new one!

 

[Forbin]

I dunno, I'm a bit right of center, and I loves my Trek.

 

[Forbin]

This shouldn't actually be controversial, but, I have a problem with the the way the Romulan Neutral Zone gets portrayed sometimes. It's a ZONE - a volume, not a line (or a wall) - is has depth. I sometimes see it expressed as a line being crossed, or shown with our ships and their ships facing off on opposite sides of a line. Look at the Korean demilitarized zone for an example - it's 2.5 miles deep; an area where both side's military is supposed to keep out. Look at the original map from Balance of terror and you'll see not a line, but a deep swath.

 

[The Gatekeeper]

Picard was unlikeable? I disagree.

He was very stern in TNG's first season, which to some is "unlikeable."

 

[B.J.]

This shouldn't actually be controversial, but, I have a problem with the the way the Romulan Neutral Zone gets portrayed sometimes. It's a ZONE - a volume, not a line (or a wall) - is has depth. I sometimes see it expressed as a line being crossed, or shown with our ships and their ships facing off on opposite sides of a line. Look at the Korean demilitarized zone for an example - it's 2.5 miles deep; an area where both side's military is supposed to keep out. Look at the original map from Balance of terror and you'll see not a line, but a deep swath.

Agreed. Sometimes they get it right, and it seems to be consistently shown on maps.

The Klingon "neutral zone", however.... yeesh. Why was it shown as a spheroid in TWOK? That made no sense to me.

 

[GhoulEddie74]

Picard was a stuffy, haughty prick for big chunks of the first three seasons.

 

[fireproof78]

Picard was unlikeable? I disagree. Picard had a strong sense of ethics and principles and he always did what he thought was the right thing to do. He could be stoic but he also had passion and compassion. He had all the things I think one would want out of a leader.

When you look down on people yes I will find that unlikable.

Yes, Picard could be those things, but he could also be arrogant and condescending.

 

[Etbj SMY]

Picard was a stuffy, haughty prick for big chunks of the first three seasons.

Perhaps his pants were extra-tight during said chunks.

 

[Starflight]

Weirdly, I find early Picard much more likeable than later Picard. Early Picard is at least allowed to be wrong sometimes and feels like a flawed human, whereas Picard from around mid-season 4 onward is more sneering and haughty than ever, except the scripts virtually always treat him as a moral authority (and often pit him against strawmen who exist only for him to vanquish with a fridge magnet quote).

 

[1001001]

Picard was a stuffy, haughty prick for big chunks of the first three seasons.

That's because he didn't have access to a dune buggy.