I'm hoping, based on the footage, we get some more insight in to the Original Grid. Some Pictures below:
Tron: Ares
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Well, Disney was in a different place back then. For one thing, it was far less concerned with sequels. It was also struggling to release a successful sci-fi. The Black Hole hadn't done so well either, and that one had been released years earlier. If the original Tron were a big success, I'd suspect we'd still be waiting until the late 80's/early 90's to 2000's for a sequel. That would sit it around the time Disney were starting what's considered to be their renaissance era of animated movies, with things like Aladdin, The Lion King, etc, and started developing direct-to-video sequels for them. This is where I would expect Disney would have started thinking on a Tron sequel, and they very likely still did.
Shaggy Dog, Shaggy D.A., how many Love Bug movies? At least two Absent Minded Professors, right? Two Escape from Witch Mountain films. Two Apple Dumpling Gangs. That's off the top of my head.
Sure, but it still was a very different era when Disney was a bit more selective, and those you cited actually started in the 60's and were still fairly rare. By the time the 90's came around, sequels kicked into overdrive.
And by "a bit more selective" you might mean "a bit less successful".
I included lots of 70's. Both Apple Dumpling Gangs, both Witch Mountain films, and while The Love Bug was 1968, the Herbie sequels were 70's and the last film, Herbie Goes Bananas was 1980. Probably when Tron was in some kind of production. When something was even an Escape from Witch Mountain sized hit (Hey! That's Peter Preston, engineer's mate, SIR!) it got a sequel.
More ambitious but less successful films such as Island at the Top of the World? Nope.
It was their ANIMATED films that didn't get sequels until The Rescuers Down Under (1990). And then the next one (not direct to video) was... Toy Story 2 if you count Pixar. Ralph Breaks the Internet if you don't! Whoops, back it up. Fantasia 2000, THEN Ralph Breaks the Internet. Otherwise they were all direct to video.
In the Star Wars environment of the late 70's when Tron was conceived and the early 80's when it was made, I'm sure if it had been successful that the Mouse would have gone for a sequel.
I guess so. And people do tend to forget their live-action output. And it's quite ironic that while Disney was trying to have a successful sci-fi to perhaps rival Star Wars, that they now own both Tron and Star Wars.
And I do certainly count Pixar. Early on in their life they weren't into doing sequels, and now, well it feels like every of their movies are getting sequels. We're even getting a Coco 2 apparently.
And Herbie is interesting because, I feel that by the time they came to the last one, I feel its failure wasn't so much due to its quality, but because it was a very different type of movie that had kind of died off.
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Big difference between Tron an all those 70s sequels Disney made was its huge budget. I can’t imagine it cost much to make any of the Apple Dumpling Gangs, Herbies, etc.
Not Disney but the only real sci fi franchise before Star Wars was Planet of the Apes. In which 20th Century Fox spent less money on each sequel than the one before. This was based on the law of diminishing returns. Sequels never made more than the originals. So studios were always very cautious investing money in sequels. The idea of setting out to create franchises was decades away. Even if an initial film was big success and a sequel green-lighted. It very never planned to go beyond that. Even if a film series had eventual longevity it usually was created piecemeal. Movie by movie.
Perfect example is the Star Trek film series. The first film made money but generally was seen as disappointment at the time. Wrath of Khan by the terms of today was largely a soft reboot. Only real continuity is returning actors and reused props and sets to save money. It was not really until success of third film that it was seen to have long term viability that could be repeated.
Getting back to Tron - this will be 3rd movie in 43 years. Hard to know what Disney is expecting or hoping for financially. Regardless of what we think of Jared Leto it sounds like he is only reason this got made. Once Disney had Star Wars and Marvel they lost interest in a Legacy sequel or Tron at all.
Not Disney but the only real sci fi franchise before Star Wars was Planet of the Apes. In which 20th Century Fox spent less money on each sequel than the one before. This was based on the law of diminishing returns. Sequels never made more than the originals. So studios were always very cautious investing money in sequels. The idea of setting out to create franchises was decades away. Even if an initial film was big success and a sequel green-lighted. It very never planned to go beyond that. Even if a film series had eventual longevity it usually was created piecemeal. Movie by movie.
Perfect example is the Star Trek film series. The first film made money but generally was seen as disappointment at the time. Wrath of Khan by the terms of today was largely a soft reboot. Only real continuity is returning actors and reused props and sets to save money. It was not really until success of third film that it was seen to have long term viability that could be repeated.
Getting back to Tron - this will be 3rd movie in 43 years. Hard to know what Disney is expecting or hoping for financially. Regardless of what we think of Jared Leto it sounds like he is only reason this got made. Once Disney had Star Wars and Marvel they lost interest in a Legacy sequel or Tron at all.
Somewhere recently, Disney announced that they were going for a specific ratio of original movies and sequel for their animated movies.
I think it's one sequel for every two original movies or something like that.
The director of writer seemed keen on it too and stated some past experiences with Tron: Uprising so I'm thinking this was also a passion project for them.
Regardless, the interaction of the real world and the digital is such a fun idea to me.
I just wanna know how big the laser was that spewed out the recognizer
Yeah, there's that too. Between Tron and The Black Hole, they really wanted a sci-fi hit back in the day. Not seeing a hit out of either of them might have fed into their reluctance to put out a Tron sequel earlier than what we got.
And the original Planet of the Apes movies are pretty fun in their own right.
Boy, way to make me feel old...
Yeah, I remember hearing something like that too. Personally, I still feel like we're still getting too many sequels, and sometimes sequels to movies I feel never needed one to begin with. I loved Finding Nemo, but I felt Finding Dory was a huge step down in quality, for instance.
What if it's like phone line versus Ethernet cable? Not much bigger but more data transfer?
hmmmmmm, maybe but you'd need room to materialize something that big
I mean, yeah, probably. That's what hangers are for.
Yeah, I'd wondered about that. You kind of need the infrastructure in the real world, don't you? Which is why I have my theory that the world we see invaded is yet another virtual world made to look like ours. This might be a secret 4th grid as a plot twist, as it's entirely possible AI would be used to deceive those in the 'real world'.
What's that famous quote from The Usual Suspects? "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist." The Devil would be the AI in this case, and this being a Tron movie, the twist would be that the AI that is pulling a fast one for making people believe the the real world is about to cease existing.
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Interesting theory
The other part of the theory involves the original grid, ie the Flynn's Arcade grid, which is supposedly unconnected to the rest, but after the invasion, which could technically be a virus, the original grid is connected as a last resort to restore the grids to the original code and flush out the bad code.
But on the other hand, it sounds like they don't have system restore points in the TronVerse