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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x10 - "New Life and New Civilizations"

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Most shows don't except in broad strokes, at least the ones I enjoy. Mash bring my go to example of a par excellence show with messy continuity.
As writers should, critically acclaimed or not
I mean, maybe? DC's Crisis on Infinite Earths was written to bulldoze continuity with the idea that better stories matter over continuity. It worked in the short term and we got great stories like Batman: Year One and others.

But in the long term, it started DC's slide into an incomprehensible continuity mess that lasts to this day. Marvel's stories still have more weight to them because there's at least an attempt over all the decades to maintain continuity, a few exceptions aside (Spider-Man's soft reboot to make him single again)
 
I was born in 1991 so my entry point as a very small child in the 90s was TNG/VOY/DS9 but I was regularly exposed to TOS so I grew up with it all being Star Trek to me however TOS never really clicked with me due to its age, it was appreciated but imperfect and SNW has actually made me appreciate TOS more adding more personality and context to it, the characters and the stories are richer for having SNW.

Unrelated but I was first exposed to the original Star Wars trilogy but my first cinematic Star Wars experience was the prequel trilogy so they have the most special place in my heart.
 
I mean, maybe? DC's Crisis on Infinite Earths was written to bulldoze continuity with the idea that better stories matter over continuity. It worked in the short term and we got great stories like Batman: Year One and others.
No. It was to uncomplicate the tangle that DC's continuity had become. Mostly the multiple Earths.
 
Poor Starfleet. They are going to have to find another JAG leader now.
Drag Mark Harmon out, he works for CBS and might be fine with doing something other than NCIS. Maybe make him Prime Alexander Marcus.
I was born in 1991 so my entry point as a very small child in the 90s was TNG/VOY/DS9 but I was regularly exposed to TOS so I grew up with it all being Star Trek to me however TOS never really clicked with me due to its age, it was appreciated but imperfect and SNW has actually made me appreciate TOS more adding more personality and context to it, the characters and the stories are richer for having SNW.

Unrelated but I was first exposed to the original Star Wars trilogy but my first cinematic Star Wars experience was the prequel trilogy so they have the most special place in my heart.
Interesting as the theatrical Special edition releases of the OT was a mere 2 years before TPM
 
It's been a huge strong suit. For a long time aside from minor stuff, they kept alive a strong, coherent tapestry. I would argue that no other entertainment franchise has created so much content while keeping such a strong sense of order and continuity.

People like the Okudas I credit with a strong degree of keeping Trek authentic.
"Star Trek is a period piece, it's an invented period, but you need to observe the traditions, and the continuity, and the styles." - Mike Okuda

Voted 10 by mistake when it was clearly a 7
A few people have said they might change votes or clicked wrong. Maybe the polls can be set to changeable for say a week after the eps come out.
 
Ok, so as absurd as it is Enterprise phasers are now established as having half the power of the sun. That should be more than enough to destroy an entire planet.

Why is this power never used anywhere else? For example in Star Trek Into Darkness why don't they just phaser onto Khan's location in Qo'noS instead of using torpedoes? Do most planets even have planetary shields (if so the plan to take out Khan on Qo'noS even with torpedoes might not be viable)? Because those shields would need equal if not greater power to withstand phaser blasts half the power of the sun. And if they don't have planetary shields, why are superweapons like Shinzon's thalaron radiation treated as any more dangerous than regular phaser attacks on a planet?

Or in Generations, Worf claimed they couldn't target Soran's sun-killing missile in time. And Soran's location had some forcefield shielding. Even in the unlikely instance that Soran's shielded missile launch site could withstand phaser beams half the power of the sun, why not just phaser the rest of the uninhabited Veridian 3 and be done with it? Soran on his forcefielded launch site isn't going to last long once the rest of the planet's atmosphere, ozone, oxygen etc. has been bombarded to hell with the Enterprise's super phasers and the rest of the planet is ignited to the point that Soran would probably be fried, force field or no, and the Fed would accept the assassination of Soran as an acceptable target given he was about to wipe out Veridian IV.
 
This is what it all reminded me of:

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Ok, so as absurd as it is Enterprise phasers are now established as having half the power of the sun. That should be more than enough to destroy an entire planet.

Why is this power never used anywhere else? For example in Star Trek Into Darkness why don't they just phaser onto Khan's location in Qo'noS instead of using torpedoes? Do most planets even have planetary shields (if so the plan to take out Khan on Qo'noS even with torpedoes might not be viable)? Because those shields would need equal if not greater power to withstand phaser blasts half the power of the sun. And if they don't have planetary shields, why are superweapons like Shinzon's thalaron radiation treated as any more dangerous than regular phaser attacks on a planet?

Or in Generations, Worf claimed they couldn't target Soran's sun-killing missile in time. And Soran's location had some forcefield shielding. Even in the unlikely instance that Soran's shielded missile launch site could withstand phaser beams half the power of the sun, why not just phaser the rest of the uninhabited Veridian 3 and be done with it? Soran on his forcefielded launch site isn't going to last long once the rest of the planet's atmosphere, ozone, oxygen etc. has been bombarded to hell with the Enterprise's super phasers and the rest of the planet is ignited to the point that Soran would probably be fried, force field or no, and the Fed would accept the assassination of Soran as an acceptable target given he was about to wipe out Veridian IV.


IIRC there was an episode of TNG where the Enterprise was endangered by a weapon with a power output in watts roughly equivalent to a microwave oven.
 
Ok, so as absurd as it is Enterprise phasers are now established as having half the power of the sun. That should be more than enough to destroy an entire planet.
In TOS, the Enterprise is implied to be capable of planetary annihilation a couple times. Kirk indicates the Enterprise can obliterate the planet in "A Taste of Armageddon", and in "A Piece of the Action" they stun a city from orbit, with Kirk again making the point that they could have caused a calamity if they'd wanted to.

Granted, this makes it odd that they can't dent the Planet Killer and that space battles against other ships don't instantly end in both parties being vapourised. But I always like the stories in TOS where the Enterprise is suggested to be a WMD, since it leads to stories about Kirk doing everything possible to avoid actually using it that way.
 
In TOS, the Enterprise is implied to be capable of planetary annihilation a couple times. Kirk indicates the Enterprise can obliterate the planet in "A Taste of Armageddon", and in "A Piece of the Action" they stun a city from orbit, with Kirk again making the point that they could have caused armageddon if they'd wanted to.

Granted, this makes it odd that they can't dent the Planet Killer and that space battles against other ships don't instantly end in both parties being vapourised. But I always like the stories in TOS where the Enterprise is suggested to be a WMD, since it leads to stories about Kirk doing everything possible to avoid actually using it that way.
I can accept the Planet Killer and other ships being immune because technobabble shielding etc. would allow that. But in the examples I mentioned, planetary shield were either not there or not an issue (specifically the Veridian thing).

Well I guess we can accept that the Enterprise is stronger than the average Star Destroyer from Star Wars. The Enterprise can output half the power of the sun, again more than enough to destroy a planet. Han Solo claims that the entire Imperial starfleet with more power than he's ever seen wouldn't be enough to destroy Alderaan.

I guess Vader's Devastator or Executor better start fleeing if it sees the 1701 unless Vader uses the Force to gain some kind of advantage.
 
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Why is this power never used anywhere else? For example in Star Trek Into Darkness why don't they just phaser onto Khan's location in Qo'noS instead of using torpedoes?
The phasers are too obvious, per dialog.

in Generations, Worf claimed they couldn't target Soran's sun-killing missile in time. And Soran's location had some forcefield shielding. Even in the unlikely instance that Soran's shielded missile launch site could withstand phaser beams half the power of the sun, why not just phaser the rest of the uninhabited Veridian 3 and be done with it? Soran on his forcefielded launch site isn't going to last long once the rest of the planet's atmosphere, ozone, oxygen etc. has been bombarded to hell with the Enterprise's super phasers and the rest of the planet is ignited to the point that Soran would probably be fried, force field or no, and the Fed would accept the assassination of Soran as an acceptable target given he was about to wipe out Veridian IV.
General Order 24 is starting to make a lot more sense now if this is the attitude.

Mike's allowed to be wrong about things
He would be very wrong in this case.
 
Continuity has got nothing to do with quality. I don't give a fuck about it, TBH.
If that's how you feel, so be it. You're entitled to your opinions & feelings.

I feel the direct opposite.

Internal Show/Franchise Continuity has everything to do with quality, and it matters A LOT.

The more consistent you are, the better of a product you have.



"Star Trek is a period piece, it's an invented period, but you need to observe the traditions, and the continuity, and the styles." - Mike Okuda
There's a good reason why I love the Okuda's.



Mike's allowed to be wrong about things
Blasphemy! :hugegrin:
 
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Ok, so as absurd as it is Enterprise phasers are now established as having half the power of the sun. That should be more than enough to destroy an entire planet.

Why is this power never used anywhere else? For example in Star Trek Into Darkness why don't they just phaser onto Khan's location in Qo'noS instead of using torpedoes? Do most planets even have planetary shields (if so the plan to take out Khan on Qo'noS even with torpedoes might not be viable)? Because those shields would need equal if not greater power to withstand phaser blasts half the power of the sun. And if they don't have planetary shields, why are superweapons like Shinzon's thalaron radiation treated as any more dangerous than regular phaser attacks on a planet?

Or in Generations, Worf claimed they couldn't target Soran's sun-killing missile in time. And Soran's location had some forcefield shielding. Even in the unlikely instance that Soran's shielded missile launch site could withstand phaser beams half the power of the sun, why not just phaser the rest of the uninhabited Veridian 3 and be done with it? Soran on his forcefielded launch site isn't going to last long once the rest of the planet's atmosphere, ozone, oxygen etc. has been bombarded to hell with the Enterprise's super phasers and the rest of the planet is ignited to the point that Soran would probably be fried, force field or no, and the Fed would accept the assassination of Soran as an acceptable target given he was about to wipe out Veridian IV.
The bigger implication is "How Strong are your frigging Shields"

If your Phasers are that strong, and you're shrugging multiple blasts off of standard Phasers, how much more power did they just increase the SNW ships by?

It's not just "Bigger Ships", but also Bigger Power Output in Weaponry & Shields.

Remember in the end of Discovery S2, they were shrugging off tons of Phaser Fire from Drones and Capital Ships for how long during the final battle?

There are some serious implications to what they just did.
 
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