What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[XCV330]

Or look at the SS Valiant. I mean.. the steel needed to build the thing is probably being fabricated right now by the old timeline. The Phoenix only went a little faster than c, so a little over one light year per year would have been expected for ships like Valiant and Conestoga. And yet somehow Valiant it made it out of the galactic barrier centuries before Enterprise.

 

[cooleddie74]

In my head canon a massive ion or electomagnetic storm or even the sudden appearance of a wormhole swept the Valiant from just outside Sector 001 to the Galactic Barrier, but yep.

 

[Tallguy]

It sounds like you’re saying that since it doesn’t matter, it really really matters?

I'm saying that it obviously matters to people more than they say. If it really doesn't matter, then leave it alone. Or change it back. Or, heck, pick a THIRD stat.

It matters to me. As much as keeping Spock Vulcan? No. As much as a bunch of other things in Star Trek? Still no. But it's enough that it's not nothing.

It mattered to the people who made the change. I can't imagine there would have been a peep from nerds or otherwise if they had just regurgitated the same old numbers from The Making of Star Trek. And they've been playing this game long enough that they knew they would get SOME kind of pushback. And they decided that was OK because, somehow, it mattered.

And it apparently matters to the people who feel that they have to chime in and say that it doesn't matter. Which is weird.

 

[FredH]

I admit that chiming in to disapprove of people chiming in (on a board specifically created for the purpose, yet) seems, well, a little tangled in knots — but it also happens a lot.

EDIT: While I enjoy continuity porn as much as anyone else, I’m increasingly coming to the opinion that “Star Trek stories” should probably eventually switch over to the approach I see in some fanfilms (like the rather good Loreley, over in Fan Productions) — maybe there’s bits of Kelvin and Prime and whatnot in there, but who cares: what matters is a good story, and humanistic evergreen Star Trek values, not the color of the toothpaste. Basically, we eventually move to the model that Robin Hood stories, new Sherlock Holmes stories, Arthurian stories and Superman/Batman stories outside of The Official DC UniverseTM have: where there is no canon, just a field, but one that nevertheless remains recognizable.

It won’t happen for a while, of course. But in the long run, it’d be nice.

 

[XCV330]

I'm saying that it obviously matters to people more than they say. If it really doesn't matter, then leave it alone. Or change it back. Or, heck, pick a THIRD stat.

It matters to me. As much as keeping Spock Vulcan? No. As much as a bunch of other things in Star Trek? Still no. But it's enough that it's not nothing.

It mattered to the people who made the change. I can't imagine there would have been a peep from nerds or otherwise if they had just regurgitated the same old numbers from The Making of Star Trek. And they've been playing this game long enough that they knew they would get SOME kind of pushback. And they decided that was OK because, somehow, it mattered.

And it apparently matters to the people who feel that they have to chime in and say that it doesn't matter. Which is weird.

So people who prefer the new changes but aren't as adamant about it as the gatekeepers should keep the hell away from the gate?

 

[Tallguy]

So people who prefer the new changes but aren't as adamant about it as the gatekeepers should keep the hell away from the gate?

Oh no. Clearly you seem to think it matters.

And as a "gatekeeper" I'm obviously doing a terrible job.

 

[XCV330]

Oh no. Clearly you seem to think it matters.

Oh yes. I was the nerdy kid with the Technical Manual. I would sneak it in church so I could read it instead of the bible story book, but look like I was attentive. I love the details. Doesn't bother me if they change. It keeps it interesting. And not to get into it AGAIN but 288 meters was too short. They fixed it.

And as a "gatekeeper" I'm obviously doing a terrible job.

 

[Tomalak]

Every bit of this.

I mean, look how fast the TOS ship got back to the Kalandan outpost to save Kirk, McCoy and Sulu from the Losira holograms. By THAT point the Losira modifications had been stopped and the ship was no longer traveling fast enough to cover 990.7 light years in the space of mere hours or even minutes. But sure enough Spock comes to the rescue soon after Scotty stops the engine modifications from blowing up the Enterprise.

Or on a smaller level, it's the same as how every turbolift journey takes exactly as long as our characters' conversation, no matter how far they are going.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm saying that it obviously matters to people more than they say. If it really doesn't matter, then leave it alone. Or change it back. Or, heck, pick a THIRD stat.

It matters to me. As much as keeping Spock Vulcan? No. As much as a bunch of other things in Star Trek? Still no. But it's enough that it's not nothing.

It mattered to the people who made the change. I can't imagine there would have been a peep from nerds or otherwise if they had just regurgitated the same old numbers from The Making of Star Trek. And they've been playing this game long enough that they knew they would get SOME kind of pushback. And they decided that was OK because, somehow, it mattered.

And it apparently matters to the people who feel that they have to chime in and say that it doesn't matter. Which is weird.

I mean...I never knew it was supposed to matter.

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

My issue is that nobody gets into the business to make bad entertainment. Not actors, not writers, no one.

If only the Camp Crystal Lake participants received that memo. My issue is what they issue.
Theirs is never a trek worth taking.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I mean...I never knew it was supposed to matter.

Deck Two.

 

[korblborp]

So people who prefer the new changes but aren't as adamant about it as the gatekeepers should keep the hell away from the gate?

at least as adamant (as the "it was too short. they fixed it" follow-on comment shows)...

 

[knightgrace]

the test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function. One should, for example, be able to see that things are hopeless and yet be determined to make them otherwise. This philosophy fitted on to my early adult life, when I saw the improbable, the implausible, often the “impossible” come true.

Only two???


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The Enterprise was expected to travel 990.7 light-years in 11.337 hours at warp factor 8.4...

This had nothing to do with the Kaladian out post.

Strangely enough, back in the day I watched a documentary about a brand new DDG-51 CLASS Destroyer...

Her gas turbines were intended to operate at one hundred percent power until fuel exhaustion...

And operate at 105 percent without damaging them.

And 15 minutes with damage.

And why pray-tell is this important?

Because in the aforementioned episode, warp factor 8.4 IS 105 percent power....

Meaning that the writer had Navy or Merchant Marine, or Coast Guard experience.


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Oh, bad writing is bad writing. Meaning that the author was either high, or not knowledgeable enough to even write.

For example: In the novelization of Battlestar Galactica TOS, the author is obviously very familiar with motor cycles, but not aircraft, or spaceships.


There are rules.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Good. This series about the future spends way too much time looking back at its past.

From the descriptions I've read online, Star Trek: Legacy would be as backwards-looking as any prequel show, if not more so. Ooh, let's build a show around yet another Enterprise, with 7 of 9 (a character in a ST show from the 90s), Raffi (a character from PIC, a show from the 2020s), and Jack Crusher (the heretofore unknown son of Picard and Dr. Crusher, two other ST characters from the 90s)! It sounds like bad fan fiction, not a bold new direction for Star Trek.

I mean, look how fast the TOS ship got back to the Kalandan outpost to save Kirk, McCoy and Sulu from the Losira holograms. By THAT point the Losira modifications had been stopped and the ship was no longer traveling fast enough to cover 990.7 light years in the space of mere hours or even minutes. But sure enough Spock comes to the rescue soon after Scotty stops the engine modifications from blowing up the Enterprise.

At the end of "Arena," the Enterprise plots a course 500 parsecs back to Cestus III at warp factor one.

Presumably Kirk ordered a speed increase after this, as at warp factor one, it would take the Enterprise 1,630 years to travel 500 parsecs (1 parsec = 3.26 light years). Even at warp eight (512 times the speed of light, according to The Making of Star Trek), it would take 3.18 years for the Enterprise to get back to its original location. Warp nine (729 times the speed of light) would be 2.23 years.

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[XCV330]

Because in the aforementioned episode, warp factor 8.4 IS 105 percent power....

Meaning that the writer had Navy or Merchant Marine, or Coast Guard experience.

Much later example but in most Space Shuttle missions the main engines were throttled to 104.5. (104% earlier). They were capable of doing 106% and 109% in emergency manouvers due to an engine-out scenario (one of the more dramatic involved a near-ballistic transatlantic hop to emergency landing strips in europe or North Africa). By the end of the STS program there had even been talk about redesigning the SSME's to run at 115%. For all I know those upgrades were/are done for the new SLS rocket which used a derivative engine, but I don't really follow up anymore.

 

[The Wormhole]

People really underestimate how hard it is to actually make a movie or tv show, and just assume all of Hollywood is stupid or ignoring fans.

I remember an interview with Ron Moore one time where he was talking about a mantra he often heard repeated while he was working his way up in the business: "Good, cheap, or on time. You can only have two out of three." He even printed up a sign with that phrase on it and posted it in his office while working on BSG.

 

[cooleddie74]

Probably not too controversial in some circles, but the TMP Klingon makeup is my all-time favorite Klingon look. This is the Commander of the second K't'inga-class battle cruiser to be destroyed by V'Ger, so this isn't Mark Lenard.

 

[137th Gebirg]

It always looked like he was hiding behind the captain’s chair in that scene to me.

 

[cooleddie74]

Like the attack by V'Ger had knocked him out of his Captain's Chair and he was shielding himself behind it to send his distress message.

 

[Jayson1]

Probably not too controversial in some circles, but the TMP Klingon makeup is my all-time favorite Klingon look. This is the Commander of the second K't'inga-class battle cruiser to be destroyed by V'Ger, so this isn't Mark Lenard.

To me their is no difference between them and the TNG Klingons. Just need longer hair.