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Spoilers Superman (2025) Grade and Discussion

How would you rate Superman?

  • You'll believe a man can fly

    Votes: 26 29.9%
  • A

    Votes: 12 13.8%
  • A-

    Votes: 15 17.2%
  • B+

    Votes: 16 18.4%
  • B

    Votes: 8 9.2%
  • B-

    Votes: 2 2.3%
  • C+

    Votes: 3 3.4%
  • C

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • C-

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • D+

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • D

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • D-

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • F+

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • F

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • A pocket full of Kryptonite

    Votes: 2 2.3%

  • Total voters
    87

Here is a great podcast interview with one of the composers. There is a separate interview linked on that page with the 2nd composer. I listen on the Apple Podcast app but this was easiest way to share.

David Fleming is very specific how they use John Williams theme. More I have seen the movie more I have noticed what he describes. They took certain sections of the main theme and use each to represent different things. Big heroic moments and personal moments.
 
Hope it still keeps going up otherwise it won't beat Man of Steel's box office.

Keep grasping to present Superman as some kind of failure.

I would actually be interested in what kind of raw cash studios actually receive from places like China. The totals make things look inviting, but I wonder how much of an impact those dollars actually have.

The movie clearly isn't a failure by whatever metrics WB has set for it. Proof being that they are already working on a sequel.
 
From everything I can gather via a quick Google search, Hollywood ends up with roughly 25% of Chinese ticket sales.
 
* Speaking of that squid thing --- The gag of the Gang fighting the giant squid thing in the background during a serious conversation with Lois/Clark was really stupid and inappropriate with the tone.
Completely disagree. The key line is when Superman says that the Justice Gang can handle the monster. He's not needed then. And, yes, it actually is funny.
 
It's already beat the domestic box office, and is outperforming Man of Steel during their fourth weekend earnings. The difference is in the international income.
Total is what matters the most. I do hope it succeeds otherwise the Snyderfans aren't gonna stop gloating.
The movie you gave a 1 and had such a visceral reaction that the mods would ban you for expressing your opinion? You’re concerned about the box office of that movie??? :lol:
For what it's worth, yes. I may have hated the movie but it doesn't mean I want it to fail.
Go back and read my comments prior to release.
I don't want the Hollywood bean counters to designate it a failure in the background no matter what PR puff pieces they provide at the front.
We are all old enough to remember Disney/Marvel designated Age of Ultron as a failure despite making 1.4B at the ww bo.
Keep grasping to present Superman as some kind of failure.
I am not doing it personally, I am thinking through the lens of the Hollywood producers and creators.
No matter the fluff pieces Superman 2025 needs to beat the total box office of MoS.
The movie clearly isn't a failure by whatever metrics WB has set for it. Proof being that they are already working on a sequel.
"Superman 2 isn't in the works, according to James Gunn
Apparently, we should be going into Peacemaker season 2, which premieres on Aug. 21 on HBO Max, under the impression that it takes place directly after Superman. Gunn views the new season as a "direct sequel," though many fans would beg to differ and would much rather actually get Superman 2 instead of patiently waiting for whatever's cooking next in the new DC Universe.

Gunn offered another update regarding the "sequel" he's currently writing. A fan asked official confirmation about the film he's working on will be announced soon or if we will have to keep waiting, and he said, "It's a ways off." Well, let's not expect any announcements about what's coming after Superman or next year's Supergirl... even if rumors continue to swirl about Wonder Woman and other DC characters that will be reintroduced in the future."

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I do hope it succeeds otherwise the Snyderfans aren't gonna stop gloating.

This is just incredibly sad. That the only thing meaningful in someone's life is to gloat about the box office from a ten-year-old movie.

...I am thinking through the lens of the Hollywood producers and creators.

If you haven't done either of these things, then your "analysis" of the situation means fuck all nothing. Only WB knows if Superman hit the metrics set for it. I can guarantee that Man of Steel means absolutely nothing to them now. Not because it was a good or bad movie, but because it is over.
 
When the James Gunn-led DCU leads to a big screen adaptation of Crisis in Infinite Earths in 15 years, where among many others Henry Cavill returns as the Superman of Earth-ZS to join Corenswet's Superman, the Snyder-Bros would claim this was proof James Gunn's work was a failure and WB was ready to finally ditch it for the Snyderverse.
 
Is it really superhero fatigue or cinema fatigue? I think lots of people have just fallen out of the habit of cinema since Covid and streaming. Look at how the last 2 Mission: Impossible films underperformed.

Ah, but recent history had major hits not affected by cinema fatigue: Barbie, a film from just two years ago--2023--earned $1,447,038,421, while another 2023 release, Nolan's grand Oppenheimer, earned just shy of a billion, grossing $975,811,333. A movie based on a toy line and a historical docudrama had no trouble soaring to great success in this streaming / post-Covid era. Perhaps the M:I films you refer to--Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning Part One (another film from 2023, like Barbie & Oppenheimer) & [/i]Mission: Impossible - The Final Reckoning[/i] (2025) underperformed because they--similar to many recent years films in the superhero genre--are just part of a worn concept and/or suffered from or a noticeable drop in quality compared to earlier entries.
 
Ah, but recent history had major hits not affected by cinema fatigue: Barbie, a film from just two years ago--2023--earned $1,447,038,421, while another 2023 release, Nolan's grand Oppenheimer, earned just shy of a billion, grossing $975,811,333. A movie based on a toy line and a historical docudrama had no trouble soaring to great success in this streaming / post-Covid era. Perhaps the M:I films you refer to--Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning Part One (another film from 2023, like Barbie & Oppenheimer) & [/i]Mission: Impossible - The Final Reckoning[/i] (2025) underperformed because they--similar to many recent years films in the superhero genre--are just part of a worn concept and/or suffered from or a noticeable drop in quality compared to earlier entries.
And there is also Top Gun: Maverick.

The impression I get is that some people who wouldn’t often go to the cinema are also turning out for the new Naked Gun movie (but I don’t expect it to be a billion-dollar maker by any means).

I imagine that there’s a number of factors. I think people will go and see the right film but, as others have alluded to, the cost of the movie, popcorn, etc and the fact that many people are already paying for streaming platforms mean that simply being a big SFX extravaganza no longer means that audiences will feel compelled to see it on the biggest possible screens.
 
Total is what matters the most. I do hope it succeeds otherwise the Snyderfans aren't gonna stop gloating.

That's not going to happen (likely) because of economic reasons in Asia. It should be enough that it has smashed MoS domestically and that's not to say it should be a competition at all.

Superman 2 isn't in the works, according to James Gunn

I don't know where I read it, but he just said recently that Superman 2 has been green lit and will be fast-tracked.
 
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Keep grasping to present Superman as some kind of failure.

I would actually be interested in what kind of raw cash studios actually receive from places like China. The totals make things look inviting, but I wonder how much of an impact those dollars actually have.

The movie clearly isn't a failure by whatever metrics WB has set for it. Proof being that they are already working on a sequel.
They wind up with less than half the take from overseas than they do from domestic ticket sales.

So, the difference between, say, Superman's overseas box office and Man of Steel's works out to the neighborhood of something like 35-40 million dollars. That's quite a lot of double tall mochas, but comparing the raw numbers makes it look like a lot more. Bear in mind as well that in the end, Superman's domestic take will probably exceed MoS's by forty to fifty million dollars gross revenues.

No one who's serious adjusts historical numbers for inflation in doing comps. That's a barroom tactic that doesn't reflect the way that business people assess results and plan for the future in the real world.
 
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If you haven't done either of these things, then your "analysis" of the situation means fuck all nothing. Only WB knows if Superman hit the metrics set for it. I can guarantee that Man of Steel means absolutely nothing to them now. Not because it was a good or bad movie, but because it is over.
Exactly so.
 
Ah, but recent history had major hits not affected by cinema fatigue: Barbie, a film from just two years ago--2023--earned $1,447,038,421, while another 2023 release, Nolan's grand Oppenheimer, earned just shy of a billion, grossing $975,811,333. A movie based on a toy line and a historical docudrama had no trouble soaring to great success in this streaming / post-Covid era. Perhaps the M:I films you refer to--Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning Part One (another film from 2023, like Barbie & Oppenheimer) & [/i]Mission: Impossible - The Final Reckoning[/i] (2025) underperformed because they--similar to many recent years films in the superhero genre--are just part of a worn concept and/or suffered from or a noticeable drop in quality compared to earlier entries.
Barbie's appeal was to all the kids (girls and moms) who were happy to see Barbie's first big screen movie and having big name actors like Margot Robbie and Ryan Gosling attached. Plus all the free promotion it got from "Barbieheimer". Also, no one knew when it and Oppenheimer would be on streaming, which is a major reason why folks go to movie theaters anymore if they're not sure how long they'll have to wait.
 
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